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Michael Bowers, pictorial editor with the Sydney Morning Herald, talks pictures with the Minister
for Human Services, Joe Hockey.

MIKE BOWERS: I'm Michael Bowers and I'm pictorial editor with the Sydney Morning Herald. I'm
talking pictures this morning with the Minister for Human Services, Joe Hockey. Welcome to Talking
Pictures, Joe.

JOE HOCKEY: Great to be here, mate.

MIKE BOWERS: Look, I've got to say that a lot of politicians do tell me that, "I've got great
collection of cartoons." You really do have a good collection of cartoons. I only find that's the
case in very few people. What is it about them? Why do you like collecting them?

JOE HOCKEY: Well, cartoons are very blunt. They're very honest. They really do earth you. And
they're often very funny.

MIKE BOWERS: This one particularly here had to do with travel rorts. It's an Alan Moir cartoon.
What was the situation that brought this one about, Joe?

JOE HOCKEY: Well, you remember we lost a few ministers in 1997 who'd botched their travel allowance
claims, and I just thought it was a very funny cartoon at a very dark moment. It's got John Howard
as Napoleon leading the troops back from Moscow, saying, "I said, 'Make sure they don't botch their
TA claims.'" So, it's a classic.

MIKE BOWERS: This is a Nico one down here, a colour one, a lovely colour one. "Joe, we need a high
profile scapegoat." "Don't look at me - nobody ever heard of Joe Hockey before." What's going on
here?

JOE HOCKEY: Yeah. Well, I think that was when HIH collapsed, when I was the Financial Services
Minister. I think Nicholson recognised that it was a pretty tough time for me. So, if there has to
be a sacrificial lamb, then I'm a smorgasbord, I suppose.

MIKE BOWERS: You get drawn in a lot of different representations. Is there a person you think who
sort of captures you best the out of the current crop of cartoonists?

JOE HOCKEY: Well, I'm not too sure. I liked Mick Joffe here.

MIKE BOWERS: Way back in your student council days?

JOE HOCKEY: That's right. And, of course, my body is very similar to that today. There hasn't been
much change. The chest has just sunk a little.

MIKE BOWERS: And I notice here you have actually had a go yourself, Joe. Inside most politicians I
think there is a cartoonist struggling to get out.

JOE HOCKEY: Yes. Well, it's - no-one would ever give me a job as a cartoonist. It just got too
boring during Question Time one day. I was arguing with John Fahey about Badgerys Creek airport and
there he is. I drew him with a cigarette in his mouth, his boots on, and he is putting the boot up
the planes. He wrote back "Stick to politics, Joe. Minister for Finance."

MIKE BOWERS: You were a football player in your university days. Is it something you still like to
do?

JOE HOCKEY: Yes, I like my rugby. I love my rugby, actually.

MIKE BOWERS: This picture here of you, it caused some comment amongst your colleagues, I gather.

JOE HOCKEY: Yes. Well, that was playing for Australian parliamentarians against New Zealand
parliamentarians, and Peter Costello called me the white Samoan there.

MIKE BOWERS: I have to say, if I saw you coming towards me, I don't ...

JOE HOCKEY: He spilled the ball. You can see that. I was more focused on him than the ball. Any
opportunity to kill a New Zealander on the rugby field.

MIKE BOWERS: I think this is you just stretching, but there is certainly a bit of pain involved.

JOE HOCKEY: Yeah, well, that's right. I'm not as nimble as I used to be and certainly I had to
stretch muscles I never knew I had.

MIKE BOWERS: Joe, you have got some magnificent Pickerings next door. We just might go and have a
look at those. Joe, you have three pretty big Pickering works here. They're just magnificent. How
did you come by these - three prime ministers: Malcolm Fraser, Bob Hawke and Gough Whitlam.

JOE HOCKEY: I just was walking through an old antiques shop one day and saw them against the wall,
and just thought, "Gee whiz, they must be worth something."

MIKE BOWERS: Wow.

JOE HOCKEY: They weren't very much money, but they're very special to me. I have a very high regard
for all prime ministers.

MIKE BOWERS: Joe, it's been a great pleasure talking to you. Thanks for letting us into your office
and thanks for showing us your collection this morning.

JOE HOCKEY: Well, Mike, thanks very much and thanks for what you do, too, mate.