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We shouldn't forget that the reason they're here in Guantanamo is because they are terrorists.

Tonight on the 7.30 Report - a rare glimpse inside Guantanamo Bay's inner sankt um. Camp 6 with
maximum security detainees like David Hicks spend 22 hours a day locked in their cells.

They have a lot more privacy in Camp 6. They have their own toilet facilities inside there and so
on. So I believe at Camp 6 is a much more humane place for the detainees.


Howard under attack for Obama criticisms

Howard under attack for Obama criticisms

Reporter: Michael Brissenden

KERRY O'BRIEN: Welcome to the program, and first tonight we take a look at what sparked Prime
Minister John Howard's remarkable attack on US Democratic White House aspirant Barack Obama over
his support for an American troop withdrawal from Iraq, an attack that has been repaid in spades
from the US. The fallout continued in Australia's Parliament today, a foretaste of what may become
a key debate leading up to the election later this year, with its overlapping issues of national
security, terrorism and the American alliance. Political Editor Michael Brissenden reports.

CNN NEWS REPORT: To the United States now, where the withdrawal of some troops from Iraq is once
again the subject of an international political dust up.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Anyone who's followed the ins and outs of the Iraq debate here in Australia
will know just how sensitive the whole issue has been, but it's nothing compared to the
sensitivities now on show in the US.

JOHN HOWARD, AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: If I were running Al-Qaeda in Iraq I would put a circle
around March 2008 and pray as many times as possible for a victory, not only for Obama but also for
the Democrats.

INTERVIEWER: What do you think of that, Senator Corning?

SENATOR: Well, I would prefer that Mr Howard stay out of our domestic politics and we'll stay out
of his domestic politics.

INTERVIEWER: I don't remember a time when a world leader has directly gotten involved in domestic
politics like that, Senator Wyden, but maybe you do?

SENATOR RON WYDEN (D): The most charitable thing you can say about Mr Howard's comment is, it's

REP. DUNCAN HUNTER (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think the Aussies have earned a right to comment
on the world stage about their partner in this endeavour because they've been fighting side by side
with us in Iraq.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Politics moves at satellite speeds these days. One sentence here from our Prime
Minister, taken from a 10-minute interview, has quickly become the key political talking point on
both sides of the Pacific. Within hours, John Howard's comments were being cross examined and
dissected on network television and almost as fast thrust directly into the atmospherics
surrounding the early positions for next year's presidential election.

SENATOR BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yeah, I just got wind of this. I think it's
flattering that one of George Bush's allies on the other side of the world started attacking me a
day after I announced. I take that as a compliment.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Stylistically, Barack Obama's candidacy for the Democrat nomination is almost
like a West Wing script. The fresh-faced African-American is riding a wave of popular discontent
with the continuing military action in Iraq. Americans are engaged in an increasingly sophisticated
debate on the war and Barack Obama, who wasn't in the Senate when the war began and, therefore,
didn't have to cast a vote for or against it, has put bringing the troops home at the centre of his
campaign for the presidency.

BARACK OBAMA: We have close to 140,000 troops on the ground now and my understanding is that Mr
Howard has deployed 1,400. So if he's ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest
that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq. Otherwise it's just a bunch of
empty rhetoric.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Barack Obama may dismiss it as empty, but it's full of intent back here. The
question many are asking is, why did he say it? After last week's Newspoll put Labor well in front,
after a week in Parliament dominated by climate change that most observers and political players
scored resoundingly to his Labor opponent, and ahead of another even more favourable poll in the
Fairfax press that put Kevin Rudd as the most popular Opposition Leader since Malcolm Fraser in
1975, did John Howard just want to get the political discussion here back to what has been more
favourable territory? National security and the alliance has been a real strength for the
Government and, at times, a real weakness for Labor, especially under Mark Latham, the last Labor
leader to ride such a wave of public approval. But this is not 2004 and the ground has shifted in
Iraq, in Australia and, most importantly, in the US. But today, John Howard wasn't taking a
backward step.

KEVIN RUDD, OPPOSITION LEADER: Will the Prime Minister withdraw his statement that al Qaeda is
praying for a Democrat to become the next President of the United States?

JOHN HOWARD: Well, Mr Speaker, I do not retract the statements that I made yesterday and let me
say, the reference to the Democrats was in the context of Senator Obama being the candidate.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: The broad message from the Prime Minister is that a defeat for the US in Iraq
would be a catastrophe for the West and subsequently a danger to our national interest. But the
personal nature of the attack on Barack Obama and, more broadly, the Democrats has left plenty of
room for Labor. Mark Latham consistently left himself open to claims that he was essentially anti
American, and he was reluctant to engage in full on debate to avoid opening up that potentially
damaging flank. But there was no such reluctance on display from Kevin Rudd. As today's spirited
censure debate showed, this is ground he clearly feels very comfortable with. Underpinning his
argument was the claim that John Howard's support for an increasingly isolated George Bush and his
broad attack on the Democratic Party also has the potential to damage our national interest.

KEVIN RUDD: Let us be absolutely clear about what is at stake here, not just an attack on a single
US Senator, but an attack upon an entire political party. And here is where Australia's national
interest kicks in. This party, the Democratic Party, currently controls the majority in the United
States House. It controls the majority of the United States Senate and within a year or so's time
may control the White House itself. And this is the party which this Prime Minister, in this
country and this Parliament today, has reaffirmed, he describes as the "terrorists' party of

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: In reply, Mr Howard insisted his attack was aimed solely at Barack Obama and
his plan to withdraw from Iraq. Iraq, he said, was undeniably America's most difficult foreign
policy issue.

JOHN HOWARD: And I would say the greatest current threat, Mr Speaker, to the quality of the
alliance would be a sense in the United States that Australia had deserted her in her hour of need.
Now that, I believe, will do more damage potentially to the alliance than anything I might say
about a single aspirant for the Democrat nomination. I don't apologise for criticising Senator
Obama's observation, because I thought what he said was wrong.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Hanging over all of this was the ghost of Mark Latham. The Government has
exploited his perceived anti American stance and his personal criticisms of George Bush for years,
and Labor has certainly had to deal with his legacy. The past is a powerful weapon in this
argument. The PM also underlined Kevin Rudd's past support for the views that led to the war with
Iraq. He agreed that weapons of mass destruction were a significant threat and that Saddam Hussein
was in violation of a range of UN Security Council resolutions. All true, but there was one
essential difference - Labor did not support the war.

KEVIN RUDD: We, the Labor Party voted to a woman and a man against it. They on that side voted for
it. Four years down the track, let us think about where this war has got us. The Prime Minister has
invested $2 billion of Australian taxpayers' dollars in this war. This war has become the greatest
single foreign policy and national security policy disaster that our country has seen since

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Whether the Prime Minister planned to enter into it now or not, a full on
stoush over the alliance and security generally was one of the more keenly anticipated tests for
Kevin Rudd. National security and the economy have been policy strengths for the Government, but
the same polls that show Kevin Rudd and Labor now in front also show deep concern about the war in
Iraq. And as the situation worsens, public opinion in the US is swinging even further. Opposition
to the war maybe anti-Bush, but it's certainly not anti-American.

(c) 2007 ABC

ABC goes inside Guantanamo

ABC goes inside Guantanamo

Reporter: Michael Rowland

KERRY O'BRIEN: The US military is launching a spirited counteroffensive against the ongoing barrage
of international criticism over Guantanamo Bay Detention Centre, as debate continues to rage within
Australia about the case of Australian David Hicks, one of nearly 400 detainees at Guantanamo. The
Pentagon is making no apologies about why the men there are being held indefinitely. The ABC was
invited to inspect the detention centre and, in particular, the high security wing where Hicks is
locked up. North America correspondent Michael Rowland reports.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Guantanamo Bay in the spotlight. The glare of international attention about what
goes on behind the kilometres of barbed wire has never been so intense. Nor has the justification
offered by the US military.

REAR ADMIRAL HARRY HARRIS, GUANTANAMO COMMANDER: We shouldn't forget that the reason they're here
in Guantanamo is because they are terrorists.

COLONEL 'N', DEPUTY GUARD COMMANDER: They're dangerous men and we recognise that and we always have
to remember that when we're handling them.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Stung by three suicides and a mass detainee uprising last year, the US military
has significantly tightened security at Guantanamo Bay. Most detainees are kept in their tiny cells
and watched day and night. Nowhere has the crackdown been more severe or scrutiny more intense than
in this building. The maximum security Camp 6 holds the detainees deemed to be the biggest security
threats; among them, Australian David Hicks. The ABC has been taken on a tour of the compound, as
the military steps up its public relations offensive.

OFFICER 'X', CAMP 6 GUARD: The camp is a $37 million facility. It was built in Indiana modelled off
of a modern facility in Michigan. It originally was designed in the States and brought down here in
sections, so we put it together like one big Lego piece.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Hicks and the 150 other detainees in Camp 6 are kept in their cells for 22 hours a
day. There are no external windows and large fluorescent lights stay on 24 hours a day. This is a
cell the US says is identical to the one in which Hicks is kept. It measures four metres by two
metres, and is stark in every sense. The detainees eat alone, and physical contact is kept to a
minimum. Guantanamo's commander claim many detainees like it that way.

HARRY HARRIS: The cell in Camp 6 is almost twice as big. They have a lot more privacy in Camp 6.
They have their own toilet facilities inside there, and so on. So I believe that Camp 6 is a much
more humane place for the detainees than camps 1, 2 and 3.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Can you understand why somebody like David Hicks, who has been here for more than
five years and spends 22 hours of each day in his cell, can get into a state of despair fairly

HARRY HARRIS: Well, I don't believe that he's in a state of despair and I also don't believe when
you say that he's in a cell by himself, the implication is he's somehow isolated or in solitude or
solitary confinement or something like that. That's simply not the case.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Detainee lawyers suggest it's nothing less than solitary confinement, something
they say many inmates are struggling to cope with. US military doctors say the incidence of mental
illness at Guantanamo is no different than that at high security prisons in the US.

DOCTOR 'G', CAMP PSYCYIATRIST: Diagnoses we see are the same ones we see in the States. They range
from things from an adjustment disorder to anxiety disorders to depressive disorders, psychotic
disorders and personality disorders. The main or most prevalent diagnosis here are personality

MICHAEL ROWLAND: The military says 20% of the detainees held here have some type of mental
disorder. Some have suicidal tendencies. For the two days we were at Guantanamo Bay, the US
military aggressively argued its case. But we saw only what the commanders wanted us to see, and
could talk only to the guards served up to us, like Louis, who's been at the camp for six months.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Do you see any signs of desperation by some detainees?

'LOUIS', GUANTANAMO GUARD: Ah... not really. Well... a few of them have, maybe, well, maybe a few
of them. I don't know really any specific details, though, where they have done anything out of
desperation. But I mean, you can see some of them have wanted to go.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: The officers and guards insist it's not just the detainees who are suffering.

COLONEL 'N': We've had numerous attempts and we have daily attempts on the lives of the guards,
both serious attempts as well as harassment, throwing cocktails of faeces, urine, vomit, food,
whatever the case may be, in the mouths and faces of the guards.

CAPTAIN GARY HABEN, REVIEW BOARD CHIEF: This is the boardroom, where each detainee gets an
administrative review board annually. He is allowed to appear before the board, which is three
neutral military officers.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: This is the closest many detainees ever get to a courtroom. Each year the military
panel considers the evidence against a detainee and decides whether or not to release him. But
human rights groups say many detainees are simply refusing to turn up for their hearing, believing
the process to be rigged.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Can they see the evidence against them?

GARY HABEN: They can see all the unclassified evidence. Part of their case is classified, and they
do not see that.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Do they have the right to have a lawyer?

GARY HABEN: They do not have a right to have a lawyer because this is an administrative process,
this is not a legal proceeding.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: Given all of that, how can you describe this as a fair process for detainees?
What's the justification?

GARY HABEN: The fairness is, it's very unusual during a conflict to release enemy combatants back
out into the battlefield.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: The US points out nearly 400 of the 800 detainees who have been through Guantanamo
over the last five years have been released, but it's taking no chances with those still here in
this tropical twilight zone. The US sees all the remaining detainees, including David Hicks, as
dangerous terrorists, who could remain behind the heavily guarded wire for some time yet.

MICHAEL ROWLAND: How do you feel history will judge Guantanamo Bay?

HARRY HARRIS: I don't know, it's too early to tell, you know. I believe that we are doing an
important mission for our nation's fight in the global war on terror. And if we continue to be
transparent in how we do our mission and if we continue to be legal and ethical in the way we
detain enemies of our nation, then I'll believe that we are doing our job and I'll leave it to the
historians to figure out and to judge.

(c) 2007 ABC

Prawn virus threatens local industry

Prawn virus threatens local industry

Reporter: Peter McCutcheon

KERRY O'BRIEN: Australia's self styled image of throwing prawns on the barbie with gay abandon may
not be sustainable, if the worst fears involving an exotic virus are realised. From the end of next
month, imported prawns may have to undergo testing for the devastating white spot syndrome virus, a
disease that's cost overseas prawning operations billions of dollars. The Australian prawning
industry says the move is long overdue, but seafood importers are warning the new restrictions are
unnecessary and could dramatically push up the price of prawns. Peter McCutcheon reports.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Australians have a seemingly insatiable appetite for prawns. Despite abundant
wild stocks, each year the country imports thousands of tonnes of prawns to meet the demand. But to
what extent are prawn imports exposing the local industry to danger from exotic diseases?

JOHN MICKEL, ACTING QLD FISHERIES MINISTER: There is a potential for a risk. That risk has the
potential to wipe out our industry.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: For the past decade, CSIRO scientists have been on the lookout for a prawn virus
that is harmless to humans, but deadly to many shellfish.

DR PETER WALKER, CSIRO RESEARCH SCIENTIST: It is a disease which is quite devastating for prawns in

PETER MCCUTCHEON: White spot syndrome virus has wiped out prawn farms around the world. Fears that
it may gain a foothold in Australia has prompted quarantine authorities to foreshadow tougher
restrictions on raw prawn imports.

SCOTT WALKER, AUSTRALIAN PRAWN FARMERS ASSOCIATION: Prawns should not be allowed to continue to be
imported while we're saying there's an unacceptable risk. So do something about it now.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But seafood importers say the risks have been exaggerated, and say consumers will
lose out.

HARRY PETERS, SEAFOOD IMPORTERS' ASSOCIATION: No more prawns on the barbie, no more visits to your
favourite Asian restaurants. The prawns will just not be there.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Steve Wrayford has just spent the night trawling for prawns in South East
Queensland's Moreton Bay and, after 25 years in the industry, he admits it's not getting any

PETER MCCUTCHEON: How do you find the industry at the moment?

STEVE WRAYFORD, PRAWN FISHERMAN: Definitely tough. It's most probably the toughest it's ever been.
We've had area closures and we've had expenses that we most probably haven't had to weather so

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But along with the complaints about fuel costs and fishing restrictions, there's
growing concern about an exotic prawn disease.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Is there a real fear in the industry of white spot syndrome?

STEVE WRAYFORD: Oh, most definitely. I think that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: That fear has been fuelled by recent tests in imported green prawns by
Queensland's Fisheries Department, finding evidence of white spot syndrome and another exotic virus
in product for sale in supermarkets. As a result Queensland's acting Fisheries Minister, John
Mickel, last month called for an immediate ban on raw prawn imports.

JOHN MICKEL: The batches we've tested have proved positive for those viruses. That's good enough
for me. It should be good enough for the Federal Government to act, and act immediately, in the
interests of Queenslanders.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But although Biosecurity Australia has signalled a tougher line on imports,
following lobbying by the National Party, it's not taking any action until after it has completed a
review process by the end of next month.

SENATOR ERIC ABETZ, FEDERAL FISHERIES MINISTER: Biosecurity Australia has made an assessment which
indicates that it is not necessary to ban the importation immediately and, as a government, I think
most people would accept that we should rely on the scientific advice of those that are actually
experts in the field.

HARRY PETERS: I think a lot of this is politically driven.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Harry Peters is the President of the Seafood Importers' Association. He argues
white spot poses very little risk to wild catch prawns, and the only way it can make its way into
Australian prawn farms is through bad management practices.

HARRY PETERS: There has been no known recording of a white spot outbreak in the wild catch of any
country in the world, it's restricted, exclusively or mainly, to prawn farms and there is no effect
on humans.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But this gives little comfort to Australian prawn farmers.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: Do you accept the only way white spot virus can get into Australian prawn farms
is through bad management practice?

SCOTT WALKER: Not at all. Basically the history of white spot syndrome virus is it's come into
farms from the wild. So what our concern is is that the virus will establish in wild stocks here in
Australia and then it's a matter of time until it finds its way onto our prawn farms.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: The CSIRO's expert on the virus, Dr Peter Walker, agrees there's been no case of
virus devastating wild prawn stocks, although the damage to prawn farms should not be

PETER WALKER: My estimation is that this disease has probably cost the prawn farming industry
globally, over the last 10 or 15 years, something of the order of $15 to $30 billion.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: In a week's time, Biosecurity Australia is expected to announce whether it will
impose tougher restrictions on raw prawn imports. The devil will be in the detail. But importers
say proposals already on the table could, in effect, mean a near-total ban on raw prawn imports.

HARRY PETERS: It's not impossible that if BA were successful, and all prawns were stopped, you
would see local whole cooked prawns between $70 and $80 a kilo.

PETER MCCUTCHEON: But the local industry says it's better to be sure than sorry.

STEVE WRAYFORD: Take England with the mad cow disease. No one would have expected that. Until we
know more about it, I think it should be stop it now and you know, before it ends up affecting

(c) 2007 ABC

Sheedy still promoting Indigenous football talent

Sheedy still promoting Indigenous football talent

Reporter: Murray McLaughlin

KERRY O'BRIEN: Longevity is not something you normally associate with coaching football teams. But
Kevin Sheedy has been in charge of the Essendon Football Club since 1981, and has taken the club to
four premierships, the last in 2000. Over a quarter of a century he's come to be identified as the
AFL coach who's most promoted and nurtured Indigenous talent, and that reputation was once again on
display in Darwin on Friday night, when the Essendon Bombers overwhelmed an all-Indigenous team
selected from AFL teams around the land. Murray McLaughlin was with the legendary coach, whose
support in the Top End is as faithful as it is on his own home ground.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Every two years, Darwin hosts a match between a national Indigenous football
team and an AFL team, at the worst of the hot and humid wet season in the Top End. Friday night's
match against Essendon was the fourth such encounter and the first time an All Stars team has been
beaten. And after the 50 point thrashing, the All Stars coach, Michael McLean, was happy to pay
tribute to Essendon's coach, Kevin Sheedy.

MICHAEL MCLEAN, ALL STARS COACH: I'm more than happy for Kevin Sheedy to beat the All Stars.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Last week was Kevin Sheedy's seventh visit to the Top End. His popularity among
Indigenous footy followers in particular was obvious.

KEVIN SHEEDY, ESSENDON COACH: Hopefully our loyalty to the Northern Territory and the loyalty to
the Indigenous people of Australia pays out, because I feel it's a very important part of this game
that it can bring in the great young talent of the Indigenous players.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Kevin Sheedy's football career began with the Prahran club in 1964. Back then,
he was vaguely aware of only a couple of Indigenous football players.

KEVIN SHEEDY: Well, I mean, I lived in Chapel Street, South Yarra and you didn't get to meet any
Indigenous players or people in the '50s and '60s.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Kevin Sheedy was much more aware of emerging players from migrant families, who
tended to cop the sort of racist gibes that Indigenous footy players would endure in later years.

KEVIN SHEEDY: You would give them a mouthful just to see if you could get any reaction, but you
didn't know any better. We'd just been at war with Italy and they weren't called Italians then,
they were called dagos and wogs and everything else that you could name around the place. But for a
15-year-old, 16-year-old kid, you knew no better.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Essendon's visit to the Top End was more extensive than Friday night's All Stars
match. Players visited remote communities like Wadeye on the mainland and Nguiu, the administrative
centre of the Tiwi Islands north of Darwin. Kevin Sheedy's first visit to the Tiwi Islands was in
1974, when he came to appreciate that the special skills of Indigenous players could change the

KEVIN SHEEDY: I mean, they actually are the best disposers of a footy and they actually kick the
ball to a site, not a person, the site being an area of the ground, and they make you run onto the
ball, and they make you run there because "I think that's where you should run to catch it. I can
see the next two steps down the ground will be safe for you." Very, very smart.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: It was in the early 1980s, soon after his appointment as Essendon's coach, that
Kevin Sheedy suggested the club look at drawing from the growing bank of Indigenous talent.

KEVIN SHEEDY: I just asked the board, "Is there any reason why we've never had an Aboriginal here
for 40 years?" That probably shocked them a bit. I think Ken Fraser said, "Look, there's been no
player ever put up to say yes or no to." I thought, well, that was a fair enough answer. So in the
end, I said, I think it is about time we went to look to see if we could get one.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Sheedy's most famous recruit was Michael Long, who went on to win the Norm Smith
Medal for best on the ground in the 1993 Grand Final.

KEVIN SHEEDY: Michael Long showed such an array of talents that he actually taught us a different
way of playing football by the way he played.

MICHAEL LONG, ESSENDON PLAYER, 1989-2001: Kevin Sheedy is a visionary. When I first got there there
was about five or six Indigenous players and over the years no doubt he saw talent in players and I
think other clubs have followed in his footsteps.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: The other clubs have followed to the extent that now more than 70 Indigenous
players are on AFL lists, and Kevin Sheedy has set a target of 100 by 2012. Essendon itself has
drafted eight Indigenous players this season. The club's also sponsored the Tiwi Islands' trial run
this year in the NTFL competition.

PETER JACKSON, ESSENDON CHIEF EXECUTIVE: Footy clubs in our opinion don't exist just to maximise
cash and profit. We believe we exist because the community supports us as a whole. So if we can
come up here and encourage young Indigenous kids to get involved in footy and go to school, then we
think we're playing a role of strengthening the community, which is what we're on about.

MURRAY MCLAUGHLIN: Kevin Sheedy says his promotion of Indigenous football players is a 20 year long
process of education and reconciliation.

KEVIN SHEEDY: I try to build bridges. Obviously I've smashed a few down in my life, but I think
I've built more than I've broken. I've found that there's another Australian there that I didn't
know about from when I grew up as a kid at South Yarra. As a matter of fact, they've probably
educated me from a point of view of Kevin, it's not all about you, it's about us, too.

JOHN AH KIT: Nowadays, Indigenous kids around the country just aspire to achieving the heights that
their heroes on the oval, and I think it's good for this country. It's good in terms of the
reconciliation that we need. It's a part of it and it's an enormous contribution, and Kevin Sheedy
will be recognised for that.

KEVIN SHEEDY: See, patience.

(c) 2007 ABC

reporting on Kevin Sheedy's other agenda in football. And that's the program for tonight. We'll be
back at the same time tomorrow. But for now, goodnight.

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