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The discussion has been had

for quite some years but now a

proposal to ban people climb

ing Uluru has sparked strong

debate. The idea is suggested

in the draft management plan

for the Uluru National Park,

cite ing cultural and

environmental leaders. But

tourism op operators say it

could have an impact on their

industry. Is it this th just a

storm in a tea cup? Only a

third of tourists now climb the

rock? When you're talk about

100,000 people each year but

more importantly let's be aware

very clearly of the imagery

this sends. Ayres rock is for

all intens an purposes it is

the most ionic places, being

one of the key measures we use

to attract visitors all around

the world to come and visit

Australia. We have to be really

careful when we make a decision

that the Government doesn't

have a knee jerk response and

the last thing we want to do

for an industry that employs

around 500,000 Australians is

to pretend to the rest of the

world that we've rolled down

the shutter s and we're closed

for business. Is that the

message that it sends? You can

still go and look at the rock

is what most people go there to

do. Is not being able to climb

the rock going to have any

effect at all on the number of

tourists that come? I think

what's important, bear in mind

this is a draft report so

they're basically in a period

of consultation. My message to

the Government is this - and

that is if the Government does

decide to climb the rock up

Uluru, they need to make sure

they put in place additional infrastructure so that tourists

really get the full benefits

and the full experiences of go

ing to Ayers Rock. It is not

good enough to climb the walk

and not provide anything else.

This industry is doing it

really, really tough. It

generate s historically around

$20 million of export for this

country and the industry has

been slammed by both the global

financial crisis but also by

billion dollars in new taxes

this Government has imposed in

the last 18 months on the

industry. So this frankly is

the last thing that the industry needs, if the

Government does it without consultation. But surely the

whole thesis of your afrgment

against this is people won't

come because they can't climb

the rock. There is no

indication that people wouldn't

come for that reason, I've been

to Ayers Rock and there are

days when you can't climb it

because it's too hot. So you

don't get to climb heirs rock

even if you want to. That's

your assertion about my thesis.

Let's be clear of the Opposition's position. The

Opposition's position is if the

Government as part of this

draft report is going to look

at closing the climb, they

must, absolutely must, make

sure that additional

infrastructure is put in place

so that tourists visiting the

rock have the full experience

of being at Ayers Rock. What we

really need to be careful of is

that we don't send a message

that the red centre of sauce

closed for business. That's my

- Australia is closed for

business. That's my core

concern. This Government's

track record when it comes to

providing for tourism is appalling. What is the full

experience of being at Ayers

Rock and what kind of

infrastructure would you like

to see? That's the kind of

thing that needs to be borne

out now by consultation with

inbound tour operators in the

territory. We have a whole

variety of measures. There's

some great infrastructure. The

former Government invested some

$20 million on a specialised

view ing platform and associated infrastructure for

tourists at heir rock. We want

to make sure that when

international tourists visit

Australia's red centre they get to experience indigenous culture. We want to make sure

they get to go up and close and

experience of being at Ayers feel like they're part of the

Rock. We want them to have

access to seeing Australia's

native flora and fawn ya. All

of these experiences are

crucial to selling Australia

abroad, are crucial to making

sure that we still get large

numbers of people that come to

visit the red centre. Numbers

have been dwindling for some

time and we need to invest a

lot more effort into making

sure we remain globally

competitive when its comes to

attracting tourists. Thank

you. Thanks. That's the Shadow

Tourism Minister there in a de

d debate which has gone on for

a long time. The last time I

went to Uluru a couple of years

ago I didn't climb the rock

then and I had as a school girl

34 years before. The

experiences were very

different. It is quite amazing

being up on top of that rock.

It was equally beautiful being

there at dawn. But the

infrastructure question is

interesting. I wait to see what

sort of revamped or new and

improved viewing platform could

be put there. You wouldn't want

to muck up too much of that

beautiful landscape. Any new