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Clarke and Dawe: pulp fiction

Broadcast: 12/07/2007

Reporter: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe

John Clarke and Bryan Dawe on the controversial proposal by forestry giant Gunns to build a pulp
mill in Tasmania.


ALI MOORE: Now it's time for John Clarke and Bryan Dawe, this week taking aim at Tasmanian Premier
Paul Lennon and the controversial proposal by forestry giant Gunns to build a pulp mill in the
Apple Isle.

BRYAN DAWE: Premier Lennon, thanks for your time.

JOHN CLARKE: Good evening Bryan, very good to be with you.

BRYAN DAWE: As Premier, I'd like to talk to you about Tasmania?

JOHN CLARKE: Yes, well, I'm always very happy to talk about Tasmania, a great place, Tasmania,
Bryan very happy to talk about it. What particular aspect of it interests you?

BRYAN DAWE: Well, the administration, how it all works. You run the Government, is that right?

JOHN CLARKE: Sure, Bryan. Do you want to talk about the people who run Tasmania or do you want to
talk about the Government?

BRYAN DAWE: Well... they're different?

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah. We've got a bicameral system.

BRYAN DAWE: Yeah, two houses, sure.

JOHN CLARKE: No, there are plenty of houses, Bryan, it's just that we got a bicameral system of
administration in Tasmania.

BRYAN DAWE: What are they?

JOHN CLARKE: Well, I'm the Government...

BRYAN DAWE: The administration of the state, yeah...

JOHN CLARKE: ... I'm very happy to talk to you about the Government Bryan, I'm the Premier. It's
quite interesting.

BRYAN DAWE: You are the Premier.

JOHN CLARKE: If you're interested in being a Premier.

BRYAN CLARKE: No, no, no, I just wanted to ask you about...

JOHN CLARKE: It's very interesting work. You need a suit and a tie. Fax machine.


JOHN CLARKE: A fax machine, you need a fax machine.

BRYAN DAWE: A fax machine. Why?

JOHN CLARKE: Well, they're going to need to get in contact with you, aren't they, the people who
need who need the laws passed.

BRYAN DAWE: But don't you write the laws?

JOHN CLARKE: No, no, we pass the laws, Bryan, it's a bicameral system.

BRYAN DAWE: Well who writes it?

JOHN CLARKE: I don't know who writes them, Bryan. We just get them off a fax machine and we bung
them through the Parliament. They are very attractive...

BRYAN DAWE: You just pass them?

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah. We just pass them.

BRYAN DAWE: Like, "All of those in favour say aye", type of thing?

JOHN CLARKE: Yes, all those people go through that door or that door. It's a bit like panto, Bryan,
we enjoy it. It's a beautiful building the Parliament. Pop in if you're in the area.

BRYAN DAWE: You're saying the Government is different from the administration, is that right?

JOHN CLARKE: Bryan, what I'm saying is we pass the laws.

BRYAN DAWE: So who runs the State?

JOHN CLAKRE: I run the State, Bryan, I'm the CEO of Gunns.

BRYAN DAWE: No, hang on, you're the Premier of Tasmania?

JOHN CLARKE: Sorry, no, the guy who runs the State is the CEO of Gunns, I'm just the Premier.

BRYAN DAWE: Right. Is Gunns your electorate?

JOHN CLARKE: Oh, Gunns is everybody's electorate, Bryan. You're mad if you're not in the Gunns'

BRYAN DAWE: You're the Premier of Tasmania?

JOHN CLARKE: That's right, that's my job.

BRYAN DAWE: You were elected?

JOHN CLARKE: That's right, by Gunns, Bryan, they put me there and I'm doing the job as well as I
possibly can.

BRYAN DAWE: Who are Gunns?

JOHN CLARKE: Well Gunns, Bryan, they're the people who make the laws in Tasmania in the bicameral
system I'm trying to explain to you.

BRYAN DAWE: Well what are the laws about?

JOHN CLARKE: Anything, a lot of Tasmanian laws, Bryan, are about trees.

BRYAN DAWE: What about trees?

JOHN CLARKE: Oh, where they are.

BRYAN DAWE: How to get to them?

JOHN CLARKE: How to get them out.

BRYAN DAWE: Yeah. What happens to the trees when you get them out?

JOHN CLARKE: They sell them, Bryan, make them into paper.


JOHN CLARKE: Yeah. Make them into paper.

BRYAN DAWE: Well, what for?

JOHN CLARKE: So we can get the faxes off the fax machine, Bryan, you can't get the fax off the fax
machine if there's no paper.

BRYAN DAWE: So they make fax paper out of these things?

JOHN CLARKE: That's right, Bryan. Get the trees out, turn them into fax paper.

BRYAN DAWE: So really, this is all about chopping trees down?

JOHN CLARKE: Well, the trees aren't going to walk out themselves, Bryan, and turn themselves into
fax paper, are they? You've got to chop them down.

BRYAN DAWE: Well, are you familiar with global warming?

JOHN CLARKE: No, who does he work for? Get him to call me, I'll be in the Parliament. Lovely
building the Parliament, Bryan, that's where I mostly work.

BRYAN DAWE: Yeah. Mr Lennon, thanks for your time.

JOHN CLARKE: Is that a Gunns' fax?


JOHN CLARKE: "Thanks for your time". I get a few saying, "Thanks for your time" from Gunns, that's

BRYAN DAWE: Oh do you? They thank you?

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, course they do. I'm the Premier of the State.

BRYAN DAWE: Yeah, but they run it.

JOHN CLARKE: It's a bicameral system, yeah.

BRYAN DAWE: Two cameras.

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, just like here.

BRYAN DAWE: Yeah, good.

JOHN CLARKE: Give me that, I'll make it into a law.

ALI MOORE: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe.