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Ship owners, unions unite to protect merchant navy

Ship owners, unions unite to protect merchant navy

Reporter: Heater Ewart

KERRY O'BRIEN: Welcome to the program. Australia's merchant navy, once a vital service in time of
national emergency, is in danger of disappearing, according to ship owners and maritime unions.
Owners and unionists have formed an unusual alliance to fight what they claim is rorting of the
system by companies seeking to use cheaper foreign ships. The system is supposed to give first
preference to Australian-flagged vessels, but it's alleged that Australian trading companies are
exploiting a loophole that has already seen foreign-owned vessels win more than a third of cargo
movement around the coast. The alliance of owners and unionists is warning that the very existence
of Australia's merchant marine is under threat, a situation that they say that could prove
disastrous in some future crisis. Heather Ewart reports.

MICK DOLEMAN, MARITIME UNION OF AUSTRALIA: We have seen since this Government has come into power,
half of our fleet disappear. They've got rid of more ships than the Japanese sunk during World War

LACHLAN PAYNE, AUSTRALIAN SHIPOWNERS ASSOCIATION: The day of the all-Australian fleet with
'Melbourne' written on the stern has probably gone.

PAULL VAN OOST, PAN AUSTRALIA SHIPPING: From where we sit, today, it appears that the shipping
industry in Australia has been abandoned by the Government.

WARREN TRUSS, FEDERAL MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT: The reality is this is a tough trade. It's a
difficult industry. It's the Australian Government's policy to support the shipping industry.

HEATHER EWART: The Australian shipping industry is fast declining. Its registry has gone from 75
ships to 50 in the past 10 years and those remaining are struggling to compete with foreign
operators for our coastal trade. The Maritime Union and the ship owners are at one in blaming the

MICK DOLEMAN: If you wanted to destroy your business, be a Australian ship owner because you've got
to compete against all these foreign ship owners who don't have to comply with any Australian
standards or conditions or safety.

LACHLAN PAYNE: You wouldn't see it in the rail industry, you wouldn't see it in the road industry
and you sure as hell wouldn't see it in the airline industry, but it seems to be acceptable in
shipping. Well, it's just simply not.

HEATHER EWART: At issue here is a boom in the number of single-voyage permits issued by the
Department of Transport for foreign ships to carry domestic cargo along the Australian coast. The
case of the ship 'Stolt Australia' in Hobart last month has brought the debate to a head. The
'Stolt' was the only Australian flagged and operated chemical tanker left. 18 Australian crew
members were sacked after a company decision to abandon that role and instead sail the ship under a
Cayman Island flag using cheaper Filipino labour.

SACKED SHIPPING WORKER: This is our trade, this is our job. You know what I mean, this is all we

HEATHER EWART: Management has consistently been unavailable for comment, but industry insiders say
there's no doubt Canberra's guidelines enabled foreign ships to erode the 'Stolt's trade.

LACHLAN PAYNE: It really made people step back and say, "This has happened because there's a
fundamental flaw in the way that Australian ships have to be operated in this country, compared to
the way foreign ships are facilitated and operating in this country.

WARREN TRUSS: The 'Stolt' company have decided to put that ship in another part of the world. They
didn't believe it was any longer suitable for the Australian trade. That's a commercial decision
for them.

HEATHER EWART: The permit system has been around for almost as long as federation. What's
relatively new is how the Government administers the guidelines to issue permits for foreign
operators to carry domestic cargo. The system demands that shippers, that is companies wanting to
ship their cargo to another part of the country, must give Australian ships three days' notice to
apply for the job. If there's no Australian ship available, then a foreigner can take it.

WARREN TRUSS: So we will give priority to an Australian ship, where an Australian ship is available
under reasonable terms and conditions.

HEATHER EWART: And there is the catch - if a shipper claims the cost of using an Australian ship is
too high, the Government now allows this as rationale for issuing permit to a foreign operator. The
ground rules have shifted.

LACHLAN PAYNE: If you look the dictionary up, "available" is a pretty straightforward word, but for
the purposes of this administration, available is a huge word. Available means price. Available
means timing. Available means delivery. Available means a whole lot of things.

MICK DOLEMAN: So if you can get a cheaper ship - and there is plenty of them - to carry your cargo
you can do so.

WARREN TRUSS: Clearly if an Australian ship will cost twice as much as an alternative, well that's
not considered to be made available under fair and reasonable terms.

HEATHER EWART: The number of foreign operators carrying domestic cargo has jumped from a small
percentage 20 years ago to around 35 per cent.

MICK DOLEMAN: They're issuing single-voyage permits like confetti at a wedding.

WARREN TRUSS:Well, I think that's a nonsense claim.

HEATHER EWART: The union and the Australian shipowners argue that some companies are manipulating
the system to get a cheaper foreign deal.

MICK DOLEMAN: The shipper of a particular cargo will identify when that Australian ship is not
available of carrying some other cargo, and then put their application in. They'll put it in with
very short notice.

LACHLAN PAYNE: We hear of cases, for example, where a ship - a cargo might be available, an
Australian ship puts its hand up and says, "Yes, we can carry that cargo" and then the person
applying for the cargo might say, "We forgot to say the ship needs cranes" knowing that the
Australian ship doesn't have cranes.

WARREN TRUSS: My department will look through the various issues and make sure that the
arrangements are genuine and entered into in good faith.

HEATHER EWART: The organisation representing foreign operators says it's not aware of any

LOU RUSSELL, SHIPPING AUSTRALIA: That's been an allegation. I've never seen it proved. That's an
issue you would have to address to the domestic shippers.

HEATHER EWART: So we contacted one company after another who ship their cargo domestically and none
of their management teams were available for interviews. But some acknowledged privately it's no
secret that manipulation of the system to cut costs does go on. The Australian shipping industry is
calling for a level playing field and cuts to legislative red tape and costs it says foreign
operators don't have to deal with. It warns the merchant navy is disappearing.

LACHLAN PAYNE: In the future, if there was an emergency, I don't know where you would get people
with maritime skills from.

HEATHER EWART: The newest entrant to Australian coastal shipping, Pan Australia Shipping, started
up a service between Melbourne and Fireman earlier this year and says this was its experience:

PAULL VAN OOST: We were appalled at what we found in the Australian shipping industry and when we
got our first vessel, the new-build 'Boomerang I' - it was indeed difficult to even get a crew
together for the vessel.

HEATHER EWART: It's a far cry from the era when Bert Nolan was a seaman. He headed the Seaman's
Union for two decades. Now, 71-years-old, he can recall one ship he worked on like it was

BERT NOLAN, FORMER SEAMAN: It had I think it was 32 seamen junior members in the stokehold and
engine room alone. It had five firemen and three trimmers a watch and, from memory, I think there
was 21 on deck. I don't know how many stewards they had up in the glory hold. They still made a

HEATHER EWART: He can recall too how the Australian fleet and merchant navy were called upon to
back up the war effort in World War II. One in eight Australian merchant seamen lost their lives in
that war.

BERT NOLAN: That was probably the biggest percentage of loss of life in the whole of the war.

HEATHER EWART: The Australian fleet is unlikely to ever be called upon in the same way again. But,
the Minister for Transport is confident it could meet any challenge.

WARREN TRUSS: If a larger scale event occurred, there would be clearly a role for merchant vessels
and I'm sure they would be available.

LACHLAN PAYNE: I think they certainly would probably underestimate the difficulty of rounding up a
shipping capability.

HEATHER EWART: The Government argues if ship owners want policy alterations to boost their
industry, they need to mount a case.

WARREN TRUSS: If evidence can be provided that further changes need to be made, well, we're
prepared to look at them.

HEATHER EWART: But for now there's no sign that change is on the horizon and the industry is
sceptic al there ever will be.

Diary notes place AWB back in spotlight

Diary notes place AWB back in spotlight

Reporter: Nick Grimm

KERRY O'BRIEN: Heather Ewart with that report. After months of, at times, sensational headlines,
the Cole inquiry into illegal kickbacks by Australia's monopoly wheat exporter AWB Limited, has
been experiencing something of a media hiatus pending the outcome of argument in the Federal Court
over whether some AWB documents are admissible. But the spotlight was back on this morning with a
headline in The Australian newspaper: "New Notes Blow Lid Off AWB". It referred to hand-written
diary notes from a senior Foreign Affairs Department official referring to two meetings with senior
public servants back in July, 2004, where an Australian Army colonel just back from Iraq, briefed
them on AWB's involvement in the kickback scandal. The diary notes were actually tendered to the
Cole inquiry last April, but had received scant attention until today. The Labor Opposition has
leapt on the story as conclusive evidence of a Government cover-up. The Government has dismissed
the diary notes as old news that prove nothing. This report from Nick Grimm.

NICK GRIMM: Like the men and women of the Australian defence forces who enforce the trade sanctions
against Saddam Hussein's regime, the Cole inquiry and those following it, have often found
themselves navigating an endless ocean of evidence. While it might seem like the AWB's boatload of
excuses was well and truly sunk a long time ago, every so often another document bubbles back up to
the surface. So it was today when The Australian newspaper seized on one such piece of evidence
which had previously gone almost unnoticed.

JOHN HOWARD, PRIME MINISTER: That is all old news.

ALEXANDER DOWNER, FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER, ON RADIO: It's neither here nor there because I had
been informed in March of 2004 in the context of the establishment of the Volcker Inquiry about the
possibility of AWB being embroiled in the rorting of the Oil-for-Food Program.

DR BEN SAUL, LAW FACULTY, UNSW: These latest revelations are further evidence that the Government
knew in 2004 that AWB was implicated in serious breaches of the international sanctions regime on

NICK GRIMM: Among the thousands of pages of evidence tendered to the inquiry, these hand written
notes had been all but buried among the thousands more pages of media reports on the inquiry. They
were scribbled by one of Foreign Minister Alexander Downer's top bureaucrats, the former head of
the Government's Iraq task force, John Quinn. Their significance have become clearer because they
appear to corroborate evidence from Australian Army officer Colonel Mike Kelly whom the 7:30 Report
revealed back in May had tried to blow the whistle on AWB's kickback. The fact that his warning
seemed to fall on deaf ears had angered many in defence circles.

NEIL JAMES, AUSTRALIA DEFENCE ASSOCIATION: These are ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous excuses for
not listening to people who are well placed to provide tip-offs of something that was not only
illegal but immoral and not in our national interest.

ALLAN BEHM, FORMER SENIOR PUBLIC SERVANT: I do think it's a fundamental failure of the public
service to fulfil its duties.

NICK GRIMM: A military lawyer Mike Kelly was seconded to the Coalition Provisional Authority in
Iraq in 2004. He was appointed by US administrator Paul Bremer to help establish investigations
into the rorting of the United Nations Oil-for-Food Program. Mike Kelly says he repeatedly tried to
warn the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade that it looked like the jig was up for AWB.

COLONEL MICHAEL KELLY (TRANSCRIPT): All Australian wheat were subject to the same illegal
practices, which involved dealing with a Jordanian trucking company, Alia, and charging 10 per cent
onto the contract - AWB Limited, as the largest supplier of food under the OFFP, was almost
certainly directly and knowingly involved in the making of these payments.

NICK GRIMM: Colonel Kelly has said he first passed on that warning to the deputy head of DFAT's
Australian mission in Iraq, Heidi Venamore, seen here in Baghdad receiving the Public Service Medal
from the Prime Minister. She, however, has denied being told any such thing.

HEIDI VENAMORE, DFAT (TRANSCRIPT): I would have considered any information that an Australian
company had been acting improperly under the OFF program to be substance. Such information was not
provided to me.

NICK GRIMM: But these notes now cast a new light on Heidi Venamore's evidence. Their author, John
Quinn, is seen here at a Senate estimates hearing in 2004 which was inquiring into Australia's
response to allegations of prison abuse at Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison. It's an
extraordinary coincidence, perhaps that the same officer who was ignored when he tried to blow the
whistle on Abu Ghraib was none other than Colonel Mike Kelly. When the officer returned to
Australia, John Quinn debriefed him about the progress of investigations into that other Iraq
scandal, the Oil-for-Food Program. Now, the evidence at the AWB Inquiry can be pretty impenetrable
at the best of times, but fortunately John Quinn has also provided a translation of his scrawled
notes of what the army officer told him.

It begins: JOHN QUINN, DFAT OFFICIAL, NOTES MADE IN 2004: AWB Limited...Problems...Jordan...
Redelivery...Extra charges. Exposure...Service fee across the board...10-30 per cent.

NICK GRIMM: In a subsequent statutory declaration to the inquiry, Mr Quinn acknowledged parts of
Mike Kelly's version of events, but said he could not recall any specific allegations relating to
AWB. But the diary notes also contain this possible reference to Mike Kelly's conversations with
Heidi Venamore back in Baghdad. JOHN QUINN NOTES MADE IN 2004: AWB Limited... Early warning...

NICK GRIMM: In March that year, Heidi Venamore has said she regarded Mike Kelly's opinions about
AWB as not worth reporting. But in July, John Quinn was prompted to arrange for Mike Kelly to
attend a further briefing with DFAT's lawyers, as well as officials from the Prime Minister's and
the Federal Attorney-General's departments. But despite Mike Kelly's warning AWB was suspected of
helping Saddam Hussein rort the Oil-for-Food Program to buy weapons, John Quinn's plans for further
action appear to be reflected in the words: JOHN QUINN, NOTES FROM 2004: Cabinet... too
early...offering co-op...letter Downer to PM...

NICK GRIMM: That letter seemed to be some time getting sent. John Howard has previously said he
only became aware of AWB's culpability in the following year in 2005.

JOHN HOWARD: They don't conclusively prove anything. They represent the record taken of a
conversation between Mr Quinn and Colonel Kelly and they record the views expressed allegedly by
Colonel Kelly to Mr Quinn. He's provided a declaration. He's appended the notes to the declaration.
It really is up to Mr Cole to decide their relevance.

DR BEN SAUL: Well, it seems that Minister Downer seems to be continually denying his responsibility
in all of this. There is serious and credible evidence that he or his officials may have breached
their responsibilities under Australian and international law.

NICK GRIMM: International law expert Dr Ben Saul was the author of a letter signed by 22 top
lawyers and academics calling on the Federal Government to expand Terence Cole's terms of reference
to include the Government itself. Dr Saul believes ministers, their advisers and bureaucrats simply
aren't receiving enough scrutiny.

DR BEN SAUL: Well, we simply don't know because the Cole Commission hasn't called all of the
relevant witnesses. It hasn't called the Department of Foreign Affairs legal advisers to give their
legal advice - it hasn't called Colonel Kelly or John Quinn and questioned them at any length. So
we just don't know how much is still to be exposed in this saga.

JOHN HOWARD: Let us wait. Let Mr Cole, an eminent lawyer of great skill and integrity, let him
reach the conclusion that he will according to the facts and not the breathless commentary of
either side of politics.

Opposition seizes on latest AWB documents

Opposition seizes on latest AWB documents

Reporter: Kerry O'Brien

KERRY O'BRIEN: Nick Grimm with that report. The Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, was unavailable
for interview, saying he was happy to stand by his ABC Radio interview this morning. I'm joined now
by Opposition Foreign Affairs spokesman, Kevin Rudd. Kevin Rudd, you've jumped on the Quinn diary
today as a revelation, but is it really in that it relates to meetings in 2004 and the Foreign
Minister seemed quite happy to acknowledge; as he has for some time now, that he already knew about
the allegations involving AWB through the establishment of the Volcker Inquiry earlier that year.
So what the revelation?

KEVIN RUDD, SHADOW FOREIGN AFFAIRS SPOKESMAN: There are two parts of this which I think are new,
Kerry. One is that the diary notes of Mr Quinn, the head of the Iraq task force, provide additional
information which we didn't have before. Part of that has been referred to in the program component
before this interview began. The warning of the embassy to Heidi. Also, the correspondence proposed
between Mr Downer and the Prime Minister. Also, the fact that Colonel Kelly himself says that this
actually is money from the program, the Oil-for-Food Program, to buy weapons. We've been referring
to this as the wheat for weapons program. Colonel Kelly himself, a military lawyer, responsible for
the establishment of the investigation in Iraq itself into the Oil-for-Food Program, reaches the
same conclusion. Your point about Mr Downer is simply this: Mr Downer, a month or so after this
information is delivered to the Iraq task force in Canberra and to other government agencies, turns
around and directs our embassy in Washington to tell the Americans that there is no problem
whatsoever, no shade of doubt, in terms of the AWB's reputation, credibility. No suggestion of
impropriety just before the federal election.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Before I come back to that do you accept in Quinn's diary notes are open to
interpretation because of the way they are written - lots of gaps?

KEVIN RUDD: There are lots of gaps. Let's just be honest about that. What stands out from the diary
knows, if you look at the ones take from the meeting of the Iraq task force, which is in the
meeting of the Foreign Affairs, and a later one which involves many other government agencies,
including Attorney-Generals and the Prime Minister's Department, is the scope of the discussion.
It's not just an odd reference here and an odd reference there. It's a about the totality of the
investigations under way at that time into this corruption scandal as it's now emerged in
Australia's history.

KERRY O'BRIEN: There is conflict between Colonel Kelly and DFAT officials about what he told them
about kickbacks to Iraq. But Mr Downer says he was aware from March 2004 that AWB were implicated
and the Volcker Inquiry was conducting investigations and he thought they were in the best position
to get to the truth of the matter. He was happy to leave it to Volcker. What's wrong with that?

KEVIN RUDD: What he says to the Americans later on through our embassy in Washington is something
much more fundamental. He doesn't just go in to the Americans, who are about to set up - or have
already set up a US congressional inquiry into this - and say, "Hey, look, guys, don't worry, let's
leave it to Volcker." No, what the embassy does, at Mr Downer's direction, is go in and say, "There
is no suggestion whatsoever of any priority on the part of the AWB." How on God's earth could you
say that just having received all of this information in the Iraq task force about what the AWB had
been up to in Iraq? It's plainly an exercise in deliberately misleading our ally on the eve of a
federal election here because Mr Howard and Mr Downer didn't want to suffer any political damage.

KERRY O'BRIEN: You're making that leap. Isn't it understandable that the Australian Government
would try to protect the wheat industry's reputation in Australia and the livelihood of wheat
farmers in Australia, pending the outcome of the Volcker Inquiry?

KEVIN RUDD: The first responsibility of the Howard Government is to establish and recognise the
truth. Not just in terms of what the AWB had been up to, but also what its own Government's actions
had been. You see, part of this whole story, Kerry, is not just about a record of government
negligence - 21 cable warnings they received over a four-year period plus, about this $300 million
wheat for weapons scandal, but as you get to 2004 evidence emerges of a cover-up.

KERRY O'BRIEN: It's still not clear exactly how much of that information got through to the
relevant ministers. Mr Downer has attacked you for implying that officers of his department are
"somehow involved in cover-ups or corruption" , an implication that he says is preposterous. Are
you accusing public servants of being part, of being willing parties to a cover-up?

KEVIN RUDD: I'm accusing Mr Downer and his staff of being engaged in a cover-up. It beggars belief,
given the amount of information coming into this department, about what the AWB was up to through
this whole period that Mr Downer and his staff did not know that there were at least some doubts
which had to be satisfied. But the direction then goes from Downer's staff to the embassy in
Washington, which is reported in cables back from Washington saying, "We've assured the Americans
there are no suggestions of impropriety. That is the gross mislead to our ally to save Mr Downer's
political hide.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Are you, or are you not, including by implication public servants in a cover-up?

KEVIN RUDD: I don't have evidence of that at this stage. And I've been very careful throughout this
entire debate to look at this responsibility which Mr Downer, and Mr Vaille and Mr Howard have
under the Westminster system of ministerial responsibility. The buck stops with them. Mr Downer
whenever he gets into strife, Kerry, does this: there goes the Opposition attacking our men and
women in uniform, attacking our public servants. We don't do any such thing. Our attack is on this
Government which sent us to war in Iraq and then embarked on a policy which through negligence,
bankrolling Saddam Hussein one day before bombing him the next.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Very quickly, you've accepted Colonel Kelly's version of events. Where his memory
differs from DFAT officials isn't it up to the Cole inquiry, to justice Cole, to determine which
version of events to place the greatest credence in?

KEVIN RUDD: The core problem, which Commissioner Cole faces, as he works towards the conclusion of
this inquiry is this: He's been given terms of reference which are rigged, which are rorted and
deliberately narrow. Mr Howard is a clever politician. He set this thing up with terms of reference
that allows Mr Cole to establish if the AWB committed a criminal offence, not to make any
determinations about whether Howard government ministers did their job or lied. That's the key
thing here and that's why we have a job, as an Opposition, to bring this into the public debate.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Kevin Rudd, thanks for talking with us.

KEVIN RUDD: Thanks for having me on your program.

as an Opposition, to bring this into the public debate.

Kevin Rudd,

People with schizophrenia exhibit artwork

as an Opposition, to bring this into the public debate.

Kevin Rudd, thanks for talking with us.

Thanks for having me on your program.

The link between mental sickness like schizophrenia and artistic creation goes back a long way.
Vincent Van Gogh is just one example, although it's a matter for debate whether he was
schizophrenic or suffered a bipolar disorder. Scientists are still looking for a cause and cure for
schizophrenia which affects about 40,000 Australians. A major exhibition to open in Sydney later
this week will explore the quandaries of living with schizophrenia with sufferers sharing their
bravery and humour through artwork. Christopher Zinn reports.

I ema pretty in-your-face sort of girl, which is a pain in the neck because not many people want to
because not many people want to deal with you.

Would you be an artist

with you.

Would you be an artist if you weren't Schizophrenic? No, I wouldn't be. I'd be doing something
else. I would be living if society, not on the fringe of society.

Two sufferers, whose work can give the rest of us a peak into their the rest of us a peak into
their own Schizophrenic worlds. 'Wart', yes, that's the name she goes by, is a visual and
performance artist who was diagnosed with the disorder in 1988 and isn't shy about what she calls
her "broken brain".

The thing of putting a bandaid on your head, sort of - but why I was doing that was so you can't
see mental illness sometimes and if you're not feeling so bad just put a bandaid on your head and
if everyone knew that, head and if everyone knew that, that would be a great thing.


would be a great thing.

'Wart' lives in her own home and has been feted here and overseases for her unique style which she
fearlessly exhibits on stage.

This is what I use sometimes in my performance and I explain this as when your brains explain this
as when your brains are like this and you have an episode, right. Some of us don't get better, but
some of us do. You are still stuck in that landscape of psych wards.

Vince Greentree has been at the Matthew Toll Bert Hospital for years. He was total he had
schizophrenia at the 3 and blames marijuana. His art features the repetition of symbols and words.
What are some of your favourite words?

Love. LOVE. One of the most beautiful words of the English laif wage and I suppose it's a word wage
and I suppose it's a word known all over the earth.

The vagrant muralist has been writing on the world outside the Wooloomooloo hostel since the
mid-80s and it has been painted over by the council several times, but he just starts again.

I don't think I could write


I don't think I could write a biography, but I think - I don't think I've got the experience to
write a biography of it. But schizophrenia an illness and I schizophrenia an illness and I could
put it on the wall.

The wall has been recreated for a multi-venue series of exhibitions, concerts and a conference,
explore a conference, exploring schizophrenia through art and it opens this week at Campbelltown in
Sydney's south-west. 'Wart' and Vince Greentree's works have been brought here, along with other
art and stories from families and carers, for an exhibition called Journeys with Schizophrenia. It
was inspired by the death of a young inspired by the death of a young man who lived with his
illness for 15 years. He was diagnosed with a condition in 1984. Matthew Dysart studied art and
drove taxis and dreamed. But in '99 he took his own life at a railway station. He left this
backpack on the platform. It remained unopened until this June when the contents were catalogued
for the show.

There are a lot of people out there struggling and people out there struggling and some of them had
absolutely no support and yet they managed to get on with their lives and I think that's been
reinforced for me by the exhibition itself.

Dinah Dysart used contacts in the arts community to bring the ambitious project to life, to
ambitious project to life, to honour the creativity of her son and others. It is also hoped to help
reduce the stigma and dread reduce the stigma and dread attached to schizophrenia.

There must be a very powerful urge to communicate that other reality and we've always talked I
think about the connection between madness and creativety and between madness and creativety and I
think it is something that should think it is something that should be explored and maybe this
exhibition will just be a small starting point for it.

I find it more interesting and more moving to be able to discern something of the inner emotional
experience of loneliness, of isolation, of despair, of great fear sometimes that can be fear
sometimes that can be portrayed in the artistic productions extremely vividly, perhaps unusualy so.

Professor Vaughan Carr, a lead


Professor Vaughan Carr, a leading schizophrenia researcher involved with the exhibition said it's
not possible to prove a link between the sickness and creativety but believes that art can give us
a balanced view about schizophrenia.

They are human beings like the rest of us and have strivings like the rest f us and talents to be
recognised and important emotional perspective on life that we ought perspective on life that we
ought to learn more about and understand better.

'Wart' has a series of paintings in the show called Secret Phases which are revealing
self-portraits about her paranoia self-portraits about her paranoia.

That is terrifying. She is like "What the hell is going on? "What the hell is going on?"

Every picture, they say, and Every picture, they say, and exhibit has its own hidden story. They
has its own hidden story. They might have helped some patient, but at least to 'Wart' do not call
this therapy. I don't like the therm "therapy" because you feel like "therapy" because you feel
like you are basket weaving. Do you know are basket weaving. Do you know what I mean? Does that
sound bad? (Laughs). I don't see this as therapy. It's just how my life is.

And apologies to Professor Carr who we wrongly supered in that story. Christopher Zinn reporting.
And that's the program for tonight. We'll be back at the same time tomorrow but for now, goodnight.

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