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JOURNALIST: Climate Change Minister Penny Wong joins us now from Canberra, good morning thanks for
joining us.

WONG: Good morning to you.

JOURNALIST: Now you are preparing to negotiate with the Greens for Senate support for establishing
the CPRS legislation if you don't mind me saying so, it looks like you have got your work cut out
for you.

WONG: Well this has been made much harder because Malcolm Turnbull's walked out of the room. He has
bowed to the pressure in his party room. He has refused to look to the national interest because it
is clearly in the national interest to get on with the job of tackling climate change. He has bowed
to those in his party room who were responsible for this nation not acting on climate change for
over a decade. He has walked out of the negotiating room and that is extremely unfortunate because
it means business, who are looking for the certainty that a bipartisan approach would provide, have
been left with the situation with Mr Turnbull refusing to negotiate.

JOURNALIST: So Mr Turnbull isn't at the negotiation table, where do you start with negotiating with
the Greens?

WONG: With the Greens, with Senator Xenophon, with Senator Fielding, we'll be asking them to look
to the national interest. We will be going through with them why we think this is a sound scheme, a
good scheme, a scheme will drive the change that I know most Australians want. A change to a lower
pollution, a low carbon economy that reduces Australia's contribution to climate change. We will be
doing that and we will be asking them to look to the national interest. As I said however
unfortunately Mr Turnbull has walked out of the room because of the division in his own party room.

JOURNALIST: But Penny Wong how realistic is it that these negotiations with the Greens will be
fruitful given that you are really coming from opposite ends of the scale, you are advocating a
five to 25 per cent target but that's where the Greens position starts at 25 per cent.

WONG: Well I don't think we are coming from opposite ends. I think we do believe as a Government
that action on climate change is critical to Australia's future. I think the Greens are of the view
that climate change is something that has to be responded to. People who have voted for the Greens,
who voted for the Rudd Labor Government many of them want action taken on climate change; we do
start from the same place. But obviously there are a lot of issues on the table, we will have a
discussion with them. But again I say to Mr Turnbull it is time for you to look to the national
interest, it is time for you to stand up to those in your party room who have been very vocal even
this week about why they don't want to do anything when it comes to climate change.

JOURNALIST: So is it fair to assume that this scheme will be greener because you have been forced
to deal with Bob Brown as opposed to Malcolm Turnbull?

WONG: I am certainly not going to engage in negotiations by broadcast, but obviously from
businesses perspective they have been keen, many business groups have been keen for a bipartisan
approach because that does lock in business certainty. However we are going to have to be
discussing these matters with the crossbenches. We will do that, we will go through what we have
done in the scheme, what we have done in the legislation, why we think this is the right scheme to
support jobs today while building the low pollution economy of the future.

JOURNALIST: And I would expect that the business sector is perhaps feeling a little nervous?

WONG: Well I noticed today reports that the Liberal Party were being lobbied, were being talked to
by business groups who want this certainty. I also know publicly that the Business Council of
Australia has called for a bipartisan approach, we have seen the Australian Industry Group also
call for the passage of legislation this year and saying they want to work with both parties. There
are a lot of people who are saying to Mr Turnbull this is the right thing to do, you need to stand
up and show some leadership here. The question is whether Malcolm Turnbull is up to it.

JOURNALIST: Penny Wong thanks very much for joining us.

WONG: Good to be with you.