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(generated from captions) here. I think we'll get

people to stand up and speak

loudly. This is a question of

clarification. (INAUDIBLE) I

understood and I'll let

Elizabeth respond but I

actually understood it was -

when when I was in that group,

the discussion was along the

lines of that is an area of

Australia where as yet we

haven't made the mistakes that

we have historically made in

the southern parts in terms of

over -allocation and what we

need to do is ensure we've

learned from that in terms of

how we then manage our northern

systems. That was the

understanding I had. Does

Elizabeth or someone from that

group want to respond briefly

to that? I didn't hear the

question but if the question

was why northern Australia,

that's exactly what the

Minister said. Sorry, do you

want to ask the question

again? (INAUDIBLE) No, not

at. All no y mean, we regard it

as a relatively pristine area

and the one area in Australia

where in water terms anyway,

we've got a chance to do it the

right way and we think that's

what we should do and I mean,

frankly, the cost of trying - I

know a lot of people in the

media are very entertained by

the notion of great big

pipelines crossing the country

but really they're so

horrifically expensive and the

carbon impact of that because

of the electricity it uses is a

killer so definitely not.

Nick. Thanks very much. I was

very touched by this morning's

presentation in the plenary and

one of the key things that was

right in front of my face was

"Thinking big." I suppose when

you hear the report back from

sessions in closed rooms over a

day, we're a bit flat and tired

and under florescent lighting

et cetera, so it's quite right

to feel a bit flat and noto

energised at this end of the

day. In the group I was in,

Bernard articulated our core

idea, a national building

sustainability system. Zzzz,

you know, what does that mean?

I maybe just want to give a bit

of a flavour as to why I think

that that has enormous

opportunity and is actually

pretty big. I don't think that

there's any jurisdiction in the

world that really soirly knows

how to over - satisfactorily

knows how to over come the

market favour of achieving

energy reductions and water efficiencies within buildings

and yet we know that is a place

that we can achieve a great

deal. If we can develop a

national system - we already

have a series of different

systems in Australia, some of

which I think are pretty

effective, we can learn from

all of those - but if we can

develop a national system with

serious metrics, drive real

efficiencies in new buildings

and possibly expand it to the

existing building stock then

not only will that achieve a

great deal for Australia but I

think tie in with some of the

things Sam was articulating in

the group that I wasn't part

of. You and Kevin and whoever

else may go to Copenhagen or

wherever else and talk in

tangible terms about how an

economy of our size is driving

those emissions reductions

through what we know we can

affect and in that way s you

can have a major impact on what

is going on in other

jurisdictions around the world.

So for me, I just want to say it's maybe the end of the day

and some of the things we've

been talking about and some of

the things Greg has been

talking about, but I think on

reflection after having a few

drinks tonight and then having

slept on it and reading it

again, I think we've got some

big exciting ideas that have

come out of today. Hear, hear.

Thank you, Nick. So a - so the

link there that Nick's making,

which I think is a good one, is

the global leadership issue

that was very much a theme in the climate change group and

demonstrating that leadership

through, I suppose, reduction

of emissions in the built

environment which you're

correct in identifying I don't

think any jurisdiction has

actually managed to do. Hi,

Melissa George. Just to, I

suppose, reiterate some of the

discussion that took place in

the sustainability workshop,

and that's that Indigenous issues should be a

cross-cutting theme across this

whole section. From a sustainability perspective, support for cultural-based

economies, the issues of

impacts on Indigenous rights on

the water reform agenda and

from a population perspective,

what happens with rural and

regional migration if our

coastal areas become inundated

with seawater and just to be

mindful of the fact we have a

specific section on Indigenous

futures at this summit but it's

very important from our

perspective that Indigenous

issues and interests are considered across the whole

range of the 10. I don't think

anyone in the room would

disagree with that as a

concept, I suppose what I'm

interested in is do you have a

particular proposition in

relation to the ideas or themes

that you've heard? This is

what I'd ask you to consider,

where you'd say, "We need to

put that into this theme," as a

cross-cutting theme. You may

not to consider that now or

opportunity to discuss it overnight. We'll have the

tomorrow. You've heard now the

top five from each of the

groups so if you have a

specific proposition about any

of those ideas, I think we'd

certainly be interested in

hearing it. Great. We'll gret

to that tonight. Climate

Change Minister Penny Wong. We

draw to a close the live

streams ahead of the closing

session, but before we go

there, Laura Tingle from 'The

Financial Review', you've been

in the economics committee all

day virtually. What have you

heard? I think the interesting

things that are emerging are

the theme that's emerging is

not so much the big new idea,

it's as Alan fells said this

morning, the old ideas that

haven't been implemented yet

and how we get going about

those. The economic group's

still been in its streams this

afternoon. There's interesting

things emerging and I think

what's interesting about it is

you've got business, Local Government, State Government

and Federal Government

representatives trying to look

at the Federation and how you

can make that work a bit better

and then you've got tax where

there's been a lot of push from

the co-chair of the economics

group on tax reform. We've seen

ideas like a really big one

which is maybe we should move

even further from an

income-based system to more GST

and in the deregulation stream,

as an example of the sorts of

things that are coming out.

There's been a propose tool

abolish the four pillars policy

which sounds boring for most

people but it is essentially

saying we will no longer

protect the big four banks,

we'll open up a bit more

competition. These are things

basically regarded as not up

for negotiation, so they show

how they're ultimately the same

ideas but people are reviving

them and saying, "Why shouldn't

we look at these things?"

Chris Uhlmann, one thing that

really does flow through is

genuine passion, the delegates

here want this to work and they

are working very hard to try

and get that across the line.

They certainly are and I think

you're right, there are a lot

of good intentions and

hopefully they come up with a lot of good ideas but as I have

been saying all day, it's

interesting some of the ideas

are more like large wishes than

they are a concrete way

forward. For example, just

listening to the climate change

session saying they need a national climate change strategy to transform Australia

to a green economy and export

those skills globally. I don't

think you're going to get a lot

of argument about that but

really you need to decide how

that's going to work. Old ideas

coming up again, in the

Indigenous group there is lot

talk about a treaty. Some very

practical ideas too that people

should get tax breaks for

employing Aboriginal people,

which seems like a good idea.

Out of the governance group,

there was some talk about

parliament having more control

over the executive and that

would be an idea that could be

easily implemented given we

have the tightest solidarity in

the world between political

parties. If Kevin Rudd and

Brendan Nelson said, "No, you

don't have to vote this on

every single issue," that could

be achieved tomorrow. Laura

Tingle, I guess Kevin Rudd and

all of the co-con veners have

made it clear if it's an old

idea recycled it doesn't

matter, as long as it works.

Yes, I think this is the interesting thing about the

day. It doesn't have to be all

brand new but it's about

bringing ideas up again and

saying, "Why aren't we thinking

about this?" We've argued about

this so many times before but

here we all are in the same

room, it's not just the Federal

Government, not just the

states, it's people with a vast

range of experience that they

can bring to bear and they're

interested in getting these

ideas up. Thank you. It's been

a long day, lot of talks and

big ideas, all multiplied by 10

groups, not to mention the opening speeches including

Kevin Rudd's. It's hard to keep

track of them all so here's an

edded version of some of the

highlights -- etted version of

some of the highlight --

Here's an edited version of

some of the highlights of

today's events. (DIDGERIDOO)

Am I supposed to say yous

can sit? LAUGHTER APPLAUSE

Oh, dear, oh, me. I'd like to

welcome you all here to our

welcome you all here to our

land. To the summit of 2020.

This is a country that exists

around the barbecue and the

sense of a fair go, but it also

exists beyond the barbecue and

it exists for those who haven't

been given a fair go. I believe

the challenge is not to make

any one experience of Australia

the only experience, it is to

make it but one story among many.

# Australians all let us rejoice

# For we are young and free

# We've golden soil

# And wealth for toil

# Our home is girt by sea Please welcome the Prime

Minister of Australia, Kevin

Rudd. APPLAUSE

Gee, what a big crowd. The

Australians one, Australians

all. Today we're trying to do

something new. Today we are

throwing open the windows of

our democracy to let a bit of

fresh air in. What we are

looking for from this summit

are new ideas for our nation's

future. What we are looking for

from this summit are new

directions for our nation's

future, and if we succeed, what

we are looking for is also new

insights into how we can govern

Australia, a new way of

governing our nation. Already

there are those who are

predicting that the summit will

fail. In fact, some have

predicted it's already failed.

Some have said it's too big,

some have said it's too small,

some have said it's not representative enough. I

challenge anyone to find a

group which could ever claim to

be fully representative of any

nation. It's very hard. Some

say that consensus on anything

is impossible because it

produces the democratic divide,

whereas I say on certain

fundamentals the challenge is

in fact to build a consensus

around those things that really

count for the long-term. I say

to everyone here we should just

be relaxed about any such

criticism. It's great. It's a

reflection of the democracy in

which we live. Roll with the

punches, that's what it's all

about. I say it's having a go

through this -- it's worth

having a go through the summit

even if we fail. What is to be

lost from trying? As I've said

before, what's our simple objective here? To shake the

tree and to see if from the

great talents, energies,

enthusiasms and ideas of this

nation we can, through the

process of the next few days,

bring forth say a dozen new

ideas about how we can shape

our nation's future together.

If we do that, we'll have done

some really good work here. Now

ladies and gentlemen,

summiteers, it's over to you. APPLAUSE

I think it should be

terrific. I'll have a huge

amount of ideas and a great

debate hopefully. I'm very

excited. I feel optimistic and

I think we're going to get a

lot of good stuff done here.

It will be more than a talk

fest. We had a mini summit in

Victoria on Monday night and I

was amazed how quickly people

got to the point and started

working things out. There's a

lot of really intelligent

people in that room. It is a

privilege and an honour to be

here and a chance to contribute

to the future of Australia I suppose there are two big

ideas. We can have all these

elaborate ideas, redesigning

the constitution and reframing

the way parliament works but if

they lie to us then we can't

hold them to account for the

way the system's meant to be.

It's really good because we are

staying abstract, not getting

bogged down in complaining

about funding or the regular

kind of conversations that you

can tend to when you come to

Canberra. I have been here

quite a few times. I don't want

to bang on the same drum, we

want to open up the discussion.

What I'd like to say is that

I'm both privileged and

apprehensive to be here today.

I'm privileged because we've

got some incredible talent in

this room, but I'm apprehensive

because it's such a huge agenda

and I likened it in a couple of

interviews yesterday to putting

an octopus in a string bag.

We've got 100 valid opinions

and not much time to imagine

the future of Australia's

governance. Someone told me the

other day that we wouldn't come

up with any new ideas, just

recycle old ones. Colleagues,

it is clear that there are high

expectations of the

productivity stream. I'm not

too sure whether we're going to

call ourselves colleagues or

summiteers but summit eers

feels good. Perhaps we should

move to that language

immediately. I just want to say

from the outside it's a measure

of my belief in this weekend

that I'm here at all because as

you can imagine, I'd much

rather be in bed, but the

opportunity that this weekend

represents is great and not

because it's an end in itself

but because it's a beginning

and it's a beginning, I believe

really strongly, oaf a long and

meaningful relationship between

artists and the Government, not

as an adjunct to but as a

fundamental aspect of society.

We don't want to get into a

bidding war as to which group

is the most desperate and the

most deserving, we actually

want to say, "How do we speak

to the whole of society?" All

of whom live in families and

communities to say, "We're all

just frail humans trying to get

by, aren't we?"

# Somewhere over the reign

be... There are no official

positions here today. I in no

sense will be embarrassed at

all by ideas that people put

forward and they may be ones

that the Government may not

agree with, the most important

thing this weekend is for

people to speak from the heart

and also to have a hard head

about the economic policies we

require for the future.

# I see trees of green

# And reled roses too

# I watch... Let's see what

comes outs of this day. It's

not choreographed, no-one has

written in concrete what you're

going to arrive at through this

process.

I would say most people are

here to listen first. I was a

little nervous most people

would come with their agendas

and just be ready to talk and

not listen but I think

thankfully people are really

listening. Has it been a bat

tool get your point of view

across? No, not at all.

Basically I speak and that's

it. No, I'm joking. If only it

was that easy. Laura Tingle,

when the Prime Minister spoke,

he spoke very eloquently about

what he hoped would come out of

this, but of course we won't

know 'til tomorrow, infact we

won't know really, effectively,

until the end of the year

exactly what comes out. We

won't know in terms of

Government policy 'til the end

of the year but I think what's

happened, there's been a lot of

churning today while people get

themselves organised, just in

this last hour or so you're

starting to see something much

more solid coming out, so I

think that you will see some

fairly serious and quite

detailed proposals come out by

the end of tomorrow, which may

or may not involve Governments

having to make decisions but

we're starting to see some

progress. To which the

interest groups that are

attracted to them will attach

themselves very clearly to it

and then you have a momentum

all of its own attach ed to

interest groups. Isn't this

what we're trying to get away

from? This is the problem. As

they say, the rent seekers are

out there in full blown

proportions around the groups.

There is barely a group which

hasn't got someone suggesting a tax concession for something

and this is going to Brett Lee

bee the tricky group about

disentangling policy changes

from the ambit claims. I'm

assuming what they're hoping is

the various claims for special

treatment will start to knock

each other out in the subgroups before the end of the

day. Chris Uhlmann, I guess

part of this whole exercise

though is the free, the no-cost

or low-cost options that the

Prime Minister's asked for, and

he expects to get 10 of them

tomorrow. Those presumably are

easier to enact, simply because

they're not going to drain the

coffers. Certainly, but you do

wonder about is anything really

no cost? I know that Tim

Fischer was talking about the

fact that still in Australia

you've got to change apparently

axel alignments on B doubles as

you go across borders. That

should be a no-cost change but

there bile bureaucracy involve

said in it, there will be some

cost. There are things that can

be done and if that's one of

them it will be a great thing.

We haven't heard of all of

them, we've just heard the

loose parameters so far and as

we left some of the committees

earlier there was still voting

going on but it is a difficult

task because we've now heard

probably 7 or eight good ideas

in each committee, they've got

to get them down to three. How

do they do that, Laura? Good

question. The groups seem to

have started working very

cooperatively together and are

rationally starting to prune

back and saying, "What are

these seven ideas really

about?" They're about this and that's the thing be think is

going to be most

important. We've got the pictures of the Great Hall

where we're about to cross back

and in fact the 10 groups of

100 delegates have come back

together and reflect on the day

one of the 2020 summit. I am

joined by my 999 fellow

summiteer s who have chosen to

be a part of this historic

summit on our nation's future.

In a moment I'm going to be

talking to some of the nation's

best and brightsest, people who

have excelled and shown

commitment and passion in all

aspects of Australian life have

come together to talk about a

brighter future for all

Australians. I will be talking

to people from the various

streams, governance, economics,

rural, Indigenous, population,

sustainable, productivity -

once they get back from

lunch... LAUGHTER Just a bit

of 2020 humour there.

of 2020 humour there. Health,

community, creative Australia

and security and prosperity in

a rapidly changing region and

world, Australia's future in

the world. Quite the mouthful.

Obviously they didn't like

their original title for their

stream - guns and ammo.

LAUGHTER.

Today's session is known as

plenary session two. Now

obviously I have long harboured

a dream to host a show called

Plenary Session Two.

LAUGHTER Especially as the

plenner puteningsry. If anyone

is unsure of the meaning of

plenner potentiary, please

raise your hand and you'll be

escorted from the building. I

have a friend in the room who

shares my dream of hosting A

show called Plenary Session

Two. Please make welcome Hugh Jackman. Plenary session two

sounds like a very good title.

I'm a very big believer in the

power of sequels.

LAUGHTER Yes. But I'm more than happy to be here tonight

as your wingman, Reese, so

please, wherever you need me

just call on me. Thank you.

How are you fit nothing to

summit life? Well, it was a

slightly rocky start, I'll

admit. I wrote it down because

it was precious. I ran into a

guy who's here, who's probably

starting to sweat, and let me

find his quote. Oh, yeah, Alan

Woo, where are you, Alan? Put

your hand up, Alan. Let's get a

camera on Alan for a second.

Stand up, Alan. Thank you,

Alan. First person I met this

morning was Alan who said, "I

have no intellectual or

academic interest in you, I

just want a photo." LAUGHTER

To come I very sternly replied,

"No problem, mate." And he

said, "By the way, it's not for

me, it's for my mum." But once

we get in here, Reese, all went

very well and I think one of

the great opening lines ever to

be recorded, "Am I the one

who's supposed to tell yas all

to sit?" Absolute gold.

Where's Matilda? Great opening

line. There were a couple of

great speeches, the Governor-General bringing out

the ice column was very

powerful. Many people asked

what happened to the ice

column, it did go back into the

creative stream for us to use

and we found it very and we found it very

inspiring. I just wanted to

quickly share with you Hugh and

the rest of the room that this

ice is eight minutes old.

LAUGHTER Over to you, Reese,

take tuway, mate. We'll be

crossing back to Hugh who will

be talking to people randomly

from the floor so prepare

yourselves. I'm sure you've got

a few people lined up. I have

already been asked by a number of people what 1,000 of

Australia's greatest minds have

actually come up with today.

It's a huge question. Well,

after two intensive sessions of

lively debate, discussion and

meditation amongst the various

streams, firstly apart and then

together, it is this...we think

Barry Hall only should have got

six weeks. LAUGHTER I'm sorry,

I'm in the creative stream, I

just like making stuff up. No,

the truth it's been an amazing

day and it is an incredible

privilege to be here. I can

assure you the participants are

not short of ideas and speaking

personally, I found an incredible generosity of spirit

and optmism for the future. Now

let's see how it's all going.

Let's hear from my fellow

participants if they can make

their way on to the stage. I'm

going to do a bit of an

interview and we can throw back

to Hugh. Rachel Perkins, how

are you? Good thank you.

Hello, hello. Is it working

yet? Soon. Nearly. It's just

starting to warm up. OK, Rachel, presuming your microphone is working, so

you're in the creative stream?

Yes, I'm happily in the

creative stream and we've had

quite an amazing day. It's been

very intense, we've heard from

a whole range of people. It's

been a great opportunity and

actually Peter Garrett has been

in with us through the process

so we've had an opportunity to

sort of, you know, take our

ideas straight to the power in

a way, so it's been very

liberating feeling that you can

have a voice and have an impact

being heard. It's been fantastic. What did you

expect the summit to be like?

I thought we'd get a hot meal.

LAUGHTER But, you know, that

was OK, I thought the boxed

lunches, yeah, that was fine.

But, look, I thought it would

be really challenging and I

wanted to come here because I'm

an Indigenous person and when

we come to these things we

speak from that perspective as

Australians, but as Indigenous

Australians, and leading up to

the event I really - I feel

like, you know, we have the oldest continuing culture in

the world, you happen, in terms

of the creative stream. That's

really significant. And we sort

of take that for granted but

that is a powerful thing, like

we beat the world in that

respect, so I wanted to bring

that to the creative part of

the process and get us to think

about how, given that we have

this great heritage, how we

really get average Australians to accept Indigenous culture

and experience as part of their

identity and so I was sort of

pushing, pushing that and

without going on too much about

it, I thought an elegant and cheap - as the Prime Minister

said - way of achievingtioning

like that would be to harness

our existing cultural organisations and put

Indigenous people on the boards

of all the organisations,

whether it be the library or

State snultions, galleries,

whatever, and that would filter

down, the seeds would be

planted and by 2020 Australians

would be much more sharing in their right as Australians to

have a part of that cultural

heritage, so that's my rave.

And I worked with a bunch of

other artists and creatives

today and we nutted out a whole

range of strategies and I

thought, "Look, it's already

happening, the conversation's

begun and it began here today."

Great experience for me. World

Bank of the strengths I've

found of the -- one of the

strengths I've found of the

summit is you can have

conversations with people who

are not in your stream and find

common ground, whether it be in

community or productivity. Have

you spoken to many people from

different streams? Not a lot but there was one suggestion

that all people doing the

economic future should swap

with the people in the artsy

creative thing and then we

divide up the gross domestic

revenue and turn everything on

its head but I don't think that

would be a popular choice. So

having gone through the process

this morning in the two

sections, there was the first

morning where we were gathering

ideas and then trying to

distill them in the second,

what are you hoping to achieve

tomorrow? What are you looking

forward to achieving tomorrow?

We have to distill the arrange

of ideas to something that's actually achieve baubles every

one comes with aspiration s,

there's a lot of different

agendas. The challenge will be

distilling ideas that aren't

necessarily just all about

money - more money for this and

that - but working

strategically together, forming

alliances and partnerships and

looking at the riches we have

across industry and maximise,

you know, the future, so I

think it's about partnerships

and, yeah, forward thinking and

those sorts of things. All that

stuff. Yeah, all that

stuff. And how did you go - how

did the group discussions go

within your group? Because

we're the creative strand so

we're sort of, you know, nice.

I've heard in some of the other strands there's been some

intense arguments and not

naming any names but there's

been people talking over each

other but we all shut up and

let each other have their say

and I think having people in

our strand like the Hugh

Jackmans, Cate Blanchetts,

you've got senior Australians

and having a conversation with

them is a privilege. Luckily

Kate's not here to hear "Senior

Australian." Senior in

experience and artistic mared.

That's what I meant -- artistic

merit. I should point out

Kate's back at home having

three or four more children as

we speak and can't be here just

now. So, yeah, so just going

back to what you would like to

sort of see happening tomorrow

or the structure of it and how

we're trying to get three or

four big strong ideas, how are

you going to approach

tomorrow? I'm going to be

trying to sell my gender, I'll

be honest about that here - I

have been trying to push the

Indigenous agenda and get that,

particularly in a creative arts

sns and get that listened to

and I think I've had a good

opportunity here but I'm going

to try to make that one of the

priorities, yeah. Thanks,

Rachel. Cheers. And Sheree.

Rachel perk nlz Anne Sher, what

streech are you in? The

economy stream. They're

describing that as mauve but

that's brown, isn't it? It's

brown. What's been going on in

the economy stream? We had a

break-out this morning which we

didn't expect. We had another

theme thrown up. There is lot

of energy, lot of debate and

lots of listening. I think lot

of people came into the group

wondering how to get heard and

how to listen. It's wonderful

energy though. It's interesting

that theme of listening, I know

for myself, I've made a

conscious efforts of saying

something and absolutely

listening toing the other person rather than thinking

about what you're going to say

next. It's so easy to do that,

to go, "That's my fantastic

idea," and then you're

listening going mmm, mmm, mmm,

"And here's another one." I

have made an effort to listen because I think part of the

2020 summit is the aspect of

listening. It's hard as well

because everyone's come with

such strong views and yiez and

everyone has been asked to

distill down to the one big

idea and everybody wants to get

their one big idea out on the

table and to step back and

listen to build on other

people's ideas sometimes is

hard work but I've watched it

well today. I came not sure how

it was going to work and I have

to say it worked better than I

thought. I was impressed with how well structured it was,

although you wouldn't want to

expect less in parliament,

would you really? So what are

some of the things you've

learned today? Ooh. I know

that's a tough one. I guess

I've learnt a lot about Local

Government. We've had some very strong Local Government

advocates today. I've learnt a

lot about the

interconnectedness of the

issues we're dealing with and

sometimes how difficult it is

to pull it apart in the way

we've been asked to. I've

learned a lot also about the

purist ideas are great and

intellectual ideas are great

but as soon as you come to talk about implementation,

particularly across levels of

Government, the degrees of

difficulty sometimes

exponentially go up. So there's

been quite a lot of dialogue

around what's really possible

so that whatever we come out

with is doable not just a

fabulous idea that gets part of

other fabulous ideas that have

probably come up before. It is

interesting that thing of where

you're aiming extremely high

and then you drop right back to

the bottom and claw your way

back up. We've stayed high, I

think. I think everyone has

really high aspiration for

2020. That's something that's

held, but some of the aspiration and execution have a

bit of a gap and I guess what

we're trying to grapple with is

how do you keep the aspiration

high and not let go of the

capacity to make it happen?

Have you heard any completely

whacky ideas? Yeah, I

have. You have? Fantastic.

Some of them at morning tea

though so they weren't just

from my stream. So they're not

really for broadcast, so to

speak. OK, no problem. What

connections have you made with

people in other streams while

you've been here? I've made

connection with people I know

who are in other streams.

There's are been a bit of

lobbying at morning tea, a bit

of discussion, and I think the

physical separation of the

groups has made that more or

less hard depending on who you

ended up having morning tea

with. I have run into lots of

people I know and there's been lots of conversation broader

than just the specific issues

each of us are dealing with, as

it should be. It would be a

waste of the opportunity if we

couldn't that do that. I was

mentioning in my speech about

the basic good will, I don't

want to quote the castle and

say, "The vibe," but the vibe.

There's been fantastic good

will and everyone's left their

working and other egos at the

door so it's not a bad thing

just having people's names

without anything else attached

to it. You don't get to play

the roles we sometimes play

during our work days, doesn't

matter which stream you're in.

People have, by and large,

parked their egos and their

personas almost behind and got

into the spirit of it, probably

in a way that the least

optimistic auB the conference

would never have imagined and

in some ways probably better

than even the most optimistic

thought it could be. Thanks

very much, Anne. Cheers. David

Mann, how are you? Very well.

I believe you're in the

community streams. Yes,

strengthening communities,

supporting families and social

in clusion. What are some of

the challenges facing your

stream? One of the key

challenges is similar to the

other streams and that is to

turn ideas into realities, into

things that actually transform

disadvantage, framp, in our

stream, to work on disadvantage

and to eliminate it, but to

also see as part of that the

benefits in other areas, in

other streams like economic,

for example, environmental, to

try and draw links and make

them real in terms of policies

that are realistic and policies

that will actually affect

concrete change. OK, and so how

has - from what you expected to

happen, how different has it

been? We've just finished the

first day - expectations met?

Not met? Completely different

to what you snot I think one

of the myths was people can

only speak for a minute and

that's complete rubbish because

in fact everyone's had a pretty

good go, I would say.

LAUGHTER And more than a few

minutes for most. I think there

- the more important part of

that is there has been a real,

genuine and important exchange

of ideas. I think something

that's really surprise mead has

been the way in which that

exchange of ideas has made for

better ideas already. It's very

exciting in a sense that some

of the great ideas people have

come with have been improved

already rb thrave been

integrated into other ideas so

the linkages in terms of

concrete proposals are already

there. Have you had any of that

feeling, just to quote Ian

Foster for a moment, "How do I

know what I think 'til I see

what I say?" Have you

experienced that? This wasn't

in the script. I know but have you experience adbit of that

because suddenly, for example,

in the creative stream they

went, "You're now speaking

about this area in the

afternoon," and we've gone,

"Right OK, boom," and you've

got to focus on that and you're

finding out as you go.

Absolutely. This is part of it,

coming with ideas and building

to other ideas as part of that.

It's exactly that idea of

coming up with new things based

on those principles, principles

of connectedness in our stream,

principles of participation, of

equality, but, yeah,

absolutely. And how do you

think the summit will

contribute to Australia's

public debate, moving forward? The first thing is the

importance of ideas. I think

there needs to be, and there is

in this summit, a very, very

important thing and that is the

importance of ideas, of

conversation and debate. The

conversation has begun, there's

going to be a long way to go

after the somscpt a lot of

expectations and lot of

proposals but at the end of the

day it's ideas and transforming

those ideas into concrete

outcomes, things that matter

most in people's lives, you

know, things like family,

inprimacy of family, turning

the idea of families into

something that responds to all

families in society in terms of social and economic policies

and indeed environmental

policies. There's a desperate

need in all of it to make

linkages, to integrate those

issues and have a far more

holistic approach. Great. David

Mann, thank you very much.

APPLAUSE Just at this point, I

think I might throw to my

friend Hugh who's going to have

a chat to a couple of people in

the crowd. Senior Hugh here.

Yes, I might start in fact with

the guy sitting right next to

me, Ted Wilkes. Stand up, Ted.

You don't have a choice here by

the way, mate. This the point where everyone gets very afraid

as I rove with the microphone.

Ted, what stream are you in,

mate? I'm in the health

stream, Hugh. What's been your

highlight of today? Being

included. I guess as an

Indigenous Australian, we've

had a bit of ressns about being

here and sometimes if --

reticence about being here and

sometimes if you've worked in

health as long as I have,

you're inhibited about how you

get to where you want to.

There's a 17-year gap between

us and other Australians, we

want to close that off. I think

today we've had good discussions with health colleagues and they fully

understand this this is a part

of the inclusive way forward

and Australia won't be

Australia properly until we

fully close that gap off.

Hear, hear. APPLAUSE Ted, I'm not going to let you sit down

just yet. I'm going to put you

on the spot because as we were

waiting to start Ted sang me a

song and it could be - the

chorus of which could be a kind

of theme song for today but I'm

going to make you sing it for

everybody, come on. You want

Ted to sing? It's by a great

Australian, Paul Kelly. You

gonna sing it with me? I'll

sing the chorus with you. I'll

sing the first verse.

# Gather round people

# I'll tell you a story

# An 8-year long story

# Of power and pride

# The British Lord vestee and

# Vincent linniary

# Two opposite men on opposite sides

# Vestee was fete with money

and muscle

# Vincent was lean

# He spoke very little haeing had no bank balance

# Heart dirt was his floor

# From little things

# Big things grow

# From little things

# Big things grow #

Ted Wilkes, everybody. And

Hugh Jackman. Thanks, Hugh.

Awesome. Thank you very much.

And we're back with Fiona Wood

from health. How's the nation's

health, Fiona? It's been an

awesome day with very robust

debate and lot of ideas for the

future. And watt were some of

the main themes that you found

coming out today? I think the

real strong thrust that we want

to be a healthy Australia and I

think certainly the concept of

zero tolerance and that we

shouldn't actually accept the

situations around us, like we

shouldn't accept the gap

between Indigenous and

non-Indigenous, we shouldn't

accept that people die at work,

we should aim for the stars,

you know, just go straight high

and say zero tolerance and then

work out how to get there and

not really say, "Well, if we

reduce it by 10% that's good

enough." It's not, because that

10%, they're suffering.

Everybody's suffering's our

business and we need to reduce

that. Great. Thank you very

much. How are you ? You're in

the creative stream as well?

Yes, I am, the creative

stream. You came up from

Sydney? Yes, I came up last

night. What do you thing some

of the challenges facing the

summit are? I guess from the

creative stream, I thinks there

been heaps of great ideas and

it's just about how to bring

all of the ideas together and

come up with the overall

arching big idea. What were

some of the highlights for you

today during our discussions?

I was actually in the same

discussion with Reese, in the

same group, and I guess one of

the things we came up with was

interlinking all the different

art streams, whether it be

dance, theatre, music, film. We

came up with this idea of

interlink rather than

Centrelink. LAUGHTER Thank you

very much. Thank our guests,

ladies and gentlemen. Thank you

very much. And Hugh... OK, I'm

going roving now. Everyone

looks away from me at this

point. You should be afraid

because the last time I did

this was as Peter Alan and I

might slip into that at any

stage. How you doin'? Pretty

good. What stream are you in?

Social inclusion. What's your

name? Margarita. What's your

highlight of today? Just to be

here and part of the dialogue

and know that everybody was

fully keen to move forward.

That was the highlight for me.

Not the boxed lunch? (LAUGHS)

No. Thanks very much,

margarita. Hello, how are you?

You're terrified, aren't you?

Hi. Good, you've gone a nice

shade of red there. Hi. It's

alright, you're not on TV, yes,

you are. Do you want to stand you are. Do you want to stand

up? No. No, you do now you

mention it. What's your name?

Mara. Everybody make Mara

welcome, please. Don't look

autoyourself on the screen,

that's death. Don't look at the

screen. Mara, what stream are

you in? Yours. Yes, know that

of course. That was just for

everybody else. Mara, what - I

wasn't sleeping through all of

it. Tell me your highlight of

today. Meeting you. Meeting

me, oh. That's the perfect

time to throw - no, really,

mara. I think just meeting

everybody, really. They're very

eclectic, the creative stream.

Gosh, I'm so on the spot,

aren't I? Look, I've enjoyed

thinking about things I don't

often get a chance to think

about and thinking outside the square and you have certain

interests in one area but

you're forced to start

thinking, you know, money and

tax incentives and philanthropy

and things you don't normally

think about on a daily basis

when you're creative

things. Fantastic, mara. You

did really well. It wasn't that

bad, was it? APPLAUSE Well

done, mara. Reese y know you've

got a whole new panel up there

but before, we've just got a

little package of some vox pops

and what people had to say

about the 2020.

It's a tremendous honour and

a challenge to try and come

together as a group and try and

hopefully bring forward the

debate for 2020. There's been

a lot of preparation in terms

of consultation with people in

the northeast of Victoria where

I come from. I hope we're going

to be here to be able to

represent peopleads well as put

forward our own views. Be able

to come up with directions

forward is often the starting

point and you need a starting

point. A great responsibility

I think being part of this and

you don't want to waste it.

There will be an incredible

diversity of views from all

walks of life and I think

that's one of the great

benefits of what we've got

today. Diversity is what this

nation's about and what this

whole summit's about. The

danger is we all diversify our

niche offerings and the

challenge is to bring us to a

common voice. I hope most

people coming here will want to

be able to listen as well as be

able to say what they think. I

know there's 100 people in my

group but everybody needs to be

listened to. I'm expecting to

be able to brain storm some of

the country's biggest health

problems with a huge diversity

of people right from the top power-brokers in the health

industry right down to the

grassroots people that are

dealing with the problems day

to day. One of the challenges

I wish to put forward is I

think Australia has been a

tolerant society, which has

been great, but we need to move

on and forward from that. For

me, tolerance is prejudice with

a smile. We need to become a

atruly accepting society and

that will be our distinctive

market in the world. I would

hope there are challenges and

open discussion. I don't want to see

to see conflict. I'd like to

see ideas exchanged. We come

from different points of

reference and hopefully we'll

find a situation where we can

discuss what we're here for and

do it una way we learn from

each other. I'm expecting a

robust discussion. I think that's something that is

absolutely necessary, to have a

vigorous and open discussion,

but I think one of the things

we perhaps haven't had in

recent times is the opportunity

to network and to have these

discussions and to be able to

come together and talk through

some of the issues that we're

faced with and to try and

achieve consensus or if not, at

least agree to disagree. I

think it's a wonderful

opportunity for us all to come

and talk about our vision for

Australia for the future. I

think this is one of those

greatest opportunities to grab

and seize and that can move the

nation to be one of the very

best in the southeast Asia and

the globe It's a very small

investment to make just to give up a weekend to do something

like this. You don't get these

sorts of opportunities often.

APPLAUSE And we're back,

welcome. Welcome Louise Adler

from the creative stream as

well, I believe. Very

creative. We're wearing blue

but it's not royal blue, I

think, it's a midnight blue. We

spent a lot of time in our

session worrying about the

colour blue. Was it liberal

blue or not liberal blue,

anyway, we got over that. Let's

talk about big policy ideas,

did you have one, did you bring

one with you? I brought one

and-Y was castigated for

thinking money, money , money

was all the arts needed. I

revised my opinion and we've

had fantastic ideas. Three key

ideas - access to the arts for

all Australians is vital, we

want the establishment of

ministry of culture please

Minister and we need the

drafting of a national cultural

policy urgently and want to

share the view and ex-pole the

virtues of a mandated national

creative curriculum. They're

the three big ideas I've come

away with. For day one I think

that's exciting. Thank you.

Peter Brooks, your stream is?

Health. Did you come here with

a number of ideas? I did. Just before you answer what your

idea is, have you changed your

mind on anything while you've

been here? No y don't think I

have. LAUGHTER I'm still

learning. I'm sure I'll change

it tomorrow. He's coming to

the creative stream for a

while. Yels, you are. What have

been a couple of your ideas

you've brought to the table?

Prevention. We've got to fund

prevention. This is not just

about Shakespeare in love, it's

about Shakespeare in hospital

trying to keep Shakespeare out

of hospital. We've got to get

serious about prevention. I

think if we do that we can move

to putting a reasonable amount

of money into prevention and

create a sustainable health

workforce for the future. I've

got a significant self-interest

in this. In 2020 I'm going to

be 75 so I'll actually be requiring the health system but

I also looked at my

superannuation last week and

I'm still going to be working

in the health system, I

hope. Peter Brooks, thank you

very much. APPLAUSE very much. APPLAUSE Lynne

Hatfield Dodds, whom I went to

college with. Indeed. Good

public school. You've brought a big policy idea with you?

Indeed. Can-Y was in the social inclusion strengthening

communities and families

stream. We think we need a

national action plan for social

inclusion with clear and

measurable goals and targets so

we know where we need to go and can measure whether we've got

there. We would like to so sea

community hubs for people in

local communities who with

access information about

housing, income support,

primary health, not just

service ports but places of community, connection and

belonging for people. We'd like

to see the establishment of the

community services commission

that takes leadership, is a

source of independent advice

and research and that initially

investigates the capacity of

the community sector. Great.

Thank you very much. Now I'm

speaking to Jonathan West.

Hello, how are you? Very well,

thank you. What stream are you

in? Productivity. So you're

back from lunch? Finally,

yes. What were some of othe exciting ideas you heard

today? Well, we've really been

focussing on how we can take

the resources that are

available to this country,

coming particularly from the

resources boom, and invest them

in science, education, and

other incentives to increase

the rate of innovation and

productivity for the

future. And has there been

anything today in the productivity stream where

you've changed your mind? I've

changed my mind about how easy

it is to persuade people of a

good idea. LAUGHTER It's

very easy to have a good idea

but to have evidence to make it

feasible, to convince everybody else, that's really difficult. Interesting. Thank

you very much for speaking to

us. APPLAUSE And Greg

Born. How are you? Very

well. Your in? Sustainability. I remember that

we were asked, all of the

participants were asked to give

100 words of what their idea

was and the second part was, "Was there something you've

changed your mind on in the

last 10 years?" I'm guessing a

fair few people wrote climate

change? A lot of people wrote climate change. Perhaps more

importantly, the urgency about

claping. A lot of people

recognise how urgent it is that

we need to act. That came out

in our session and the climate

change session. And was there a

big idea that you brought with

you to the table today? The

real big idea is thinking about

a national sustainability

reform agenda. We have to

rethink about the way we work.

We have to think about our national accounts, integrating

in the values of society, the values of our environment. We

have to just think of it in a

different way, not just

dollarised, and then have a national sustainability

commissioner with teeth, a bit

like Graham Samuel, who's

probably here somewhere from

for ACCC. Someone with teeth,

we-F we're going to move

forward we have to

fundamentally rethink how we're

doing these things. Thank you.

I think we have one more group

of guests making their way to

the stage. I'll throz to Hugh

Jackman. Fred, I actually

caught the plane with you and

caught a taxi from the airport.

Are you having a good day?

Great day. I know you were

talking to me a lot last night

on the phone about your kids

who were at the rugby game last

night but you've got three

kids, I remember, right? Very

good, yes. What do they think

of you being here? That leaves

me speechless. Firstly, I'm not

doing anything for them, which

is really bad because my job on

the weekend is to do things for

them - either look after

grandchildren or help them with

their tax or other things so

I'm really letting the family

down but I thinks there tolerance. Cate Blanchett needs

a hand so you can help out

there. In general, tell me your

highlights of today. I was

really delighted the way the

discussion that we were in took

shape. It was very fluid and it

took shape t was different to

the shape we thought going in

it would take. I think it was a

good shape so that was the

highlight. We're in the

economics stream so we don't

have a lot of creativity, we

have to be in aally retentsive

and focused and use a lot of

power points and graphs and I

think we did that. Well done,

Ted, good on you. APPLAUSE Ted

and I were talk about our kids

last night and I had the

unenviable task of trying to

explain to my 7 and 2-year-olds of explaining why dad wasn't

going to be there this weekend

and I told them about the

summit. My son said, "Why can't

I be here? I've got something

to say." He said, "You tell

Kevin two things. Firstly he

should help the planet earth

and secondly, there should be a

lot more archeological digs."

LAUGHTER I said, "Right." He

says, "No, I mean it, dad.

Theres so much stuff to be

found and they're going to

build all over it. You wait,

there's going to be

civilisations we don't know

about." Mr Prime Minister, I

promised my son I'd pass it on.

There you go. Back to you,

Reese. Thank you. Sam Moston,

you've joined us on stage. What

is the title of your stream

again? Climate again? Climate sustainability. T