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(generated from captions) was when it was recommended by

Ken Henry and we'll still in

the Senate continue to try and

improve it. We're joined by

Greens leader Bob Brown.

Welcome Hello Chris. What was

gained by the deal you truck with the government?

with the government? $140

million in the coming years for

Australians who depend on the

Federal Government for funding

childcare, potentially of education, schools,

transport, or the equivalent,

if you like, of one or 200

teachers or nurses, a pretty important gain. That was lost

when the decision was made to

remove the tax from mining

companies earning up to $75

million. They're quite

the money. . Suezible companies. They got

money given back so that it

wouldn't be teachers and nurses being sacked to pay for it. The

government itself says this is

money it had identified for its

mid year review. Savings it

had made already. All it's

done is brought forward an

announcement. It said it was

considering it for its mid year

review. Now it is locked in.

It is a big decision. It is

money that's going to come from

foreign banks or from financial

institutions that are borrowing overseas and it means they're overseas and

withholding interest with

holding tax is going to be paid

for a year extra. Big

difference, though, for people

on the ground and people who

depend on Federal funding. depend on

What we've done effectively is

get schools ahead of mines, whereas as of yesterday, mines

were ahead of schools. The

intent of that tax was to make

housing and business loans

cheaper. That was the intent

of giving that tax break? .

The business loans will still

be flowing and available. At the other end of be flowing and readily

it, Chris, we're not going to see the number of public

servants who may go in

round of cuts and we're looking

at that with the mid year

report coming up potentially

next week. The Government says

it wants to make sure it has a

surplus this year. Something

is going to give there. I'm

very concerned and the Greens

are very concerned that that

will include vital parts of delivery of public well being.

And we don't... Our priority is

with the public interest, the

owned overseas can look after big mining corporations largely

themselves. They should be

paying more tax, not less.

When we saw them getting less,

we decided that we'd much in

and say not at the expense of

our schools, our hospitals. One

thing thing. This looks like

an accounting exercise really.

Because the government had

already factored it into its

mid year estimates and it's

going to have to find another

$140 billion if it want to make

those budge savings they talk

about. That's the job in front

of them. We have done our job.

We've secured 140 million Australians at public interest.

That was our job. We carried

it out. Isn't the big green win

this week what wind width got,

$200 million to make sure there are proper environmental assessment of coal seam gas. Yes. Con grantlations Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, that's an important great

through. I hear the through. I hear the mining industry complaining about

that. More overseeing, for

goodness sake. No, let's have

a recognition you need to know

what the impact is going to be on water systems on which our

food growing depends, and our

farmers and biodiversity

depends. Threentsible and Tony

Windsor and Rob Oakeshott have

achieved that. Good on them. Will the Greens support the

bill when it goes to the

Senate. It appears you're re severing everything for

position for the Senate. Yes.

We always said we didn't want

to see the tax reducedment as of yesterday that was going happen. Now we've made sure it

doesn't get reduced. The

alternative here is Tony

Abbott's proposal to give the

mining companies some $10 or

$11 billion money at the expense of the Australian

people. Really, we won't be

supporting that. We will be

working, Chris, through the

Senate and the Senate does this

very well, to get feedback from

the public, from a small

business for example. to change the Government's

proposal to give the big

dortion corporations a 1% tax

cut to a 5% tax cut for small

business so that they really do

get it. Why should the

banks be getting... Are banks be getting... Are you going to be hold out for that?

Why should the big banks be

getting $4 billion in tax breaks when they're ripping so much money and so many service

fees out of small business

which in a two-speed economy is

finding it quite hard to make

ends meet. We the Greens are

there to help small business

and the people that small people than the big banks or

the mining industry. Are you

going to be holding out for

these things. Are you going to

be knocking off this tax if you

don't get changes? Our

intention is to improve

tax. As I explained to yosh

colleagues here today, the

Senate system is not for

nothing and we will expect that

we'll have business and the

community players who are

looking at the tax system, look

at the superannuation system.

Why should a few per cent of the the top income earners get $12

billion in tax breaks out of

the proposal. Why shouldn't we

make sure that's spread across

to the middle order and lower income earners so they get a

fair break too. We will be

looking into that and hoping we can get an

can get an improvement. Briefly

on this, did it look good for

you to do a deal in the middle

of the night on something you

weren't allowed to talk about?

It was a caveat put on it by

Government. We said we want to

go out and tell people exactly

what's going on. They said no, we've got reasons why you shouldn't do that.