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Stay with us for 7.30 with Leigh Sales and Chris Uhlmann. We'll leave but shots of Semeru, a
Sumatran orangutan born into a Perth breeding program, now about to released into the wild in
Indonesia. From me for now, goodnight.

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Tonight, can Australia cope with the chronic disease of the century? Hundreds of people march on
Canberra demanding more money to combat dementia.

Early symptoms were headaches, memory loss.

The costs are going to go up astronomically.

Early diagnosis is absolutely critical.

And can the Wallabies once again end the All Blacks' World Cup dreams?

New Zealand's never beaten us in a World Cup so there's that for them to worry about.

We now play the All Blacks at their home patch knowing that all the mental stress on those

Malaysia debate overshadows carbon success

The Federal Government's elation over the passing of its carbon tax legislation has been dampened
by a lack of support to resurrect the Malaysia people swap deal.


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Just 20 hours after Labor was basking in the victory of getting its carbon
tax through the Parliament, it's now tasting defeat with its so-called Malaysia Solution for asylum
seekers in tatters. The Government now expects an increase in boat arrivals. It's still committed
to mandatory detention, but when detention centres fill up, asylum seekers will be housed in the
community. The Prime Minister's blaming Tony Abbott for this enforced policy back-flip, but as
political editor Chris Uhlmann reports, some of her own team are delighted by the shift because
they're deeply critical of the way she's handled asylum policy.

CHRIS UHLMANN, REPORTER: Politics is about leadership. And some Julia Gillard's strength was on
display this week with the carbon tax passing in the Lower House. But the very next day raised
questions about the Prime Minister's judgment.

JULIA GILLARD, PRIME MINISTER: They want to deny this country the ability to process asylum seekers

CHRIS UHLMANN: Managing expectations is high on the list of the arts of politics, and today there
was a compelling reason to believe there would be a debate on a controversial bill to allow the
offshore processing of asylum seekers.

JULIA GILLARD: We will bring this legislation to the Parliament. Tony Abbott and every member of
the Liberal Party and National Party should walk into the Parliament and have their vote recorded
so that the pages of history can show that when they were called on to choose between this nation's
interests in protecting our borders and their narrow political interest, they chose their narrow
political interest. They should record their votes, name by name, person by person.

Thursday. That is our intention.

CHRIS UHLMANN: There were five good reasons why bringing this bill to the house was a bad idea.
First, it never for a moment bothered anyone in the Coalition that the pages of history would
record them as having opposed this bill.

TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER: I don't believe it's the Opposition's duty to provide a blank
cheque to a bad government.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Second, it really does bother a good chunk of Labor's Caucus that their names would
be in history's page alongside a policy they hate.

DOUG CAMERON, ALP BACKBENCHER: I don't believe you should be cruel to people who are fleeing war,
who are fleeing terrorism, who fleeing violence.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Third, the bill was always doomed to be defeated in the Senate.

BOB BROWN, GREENS LEADER: The Prime Minister is wrong. She is seriously wrong.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Fourth, getting it through the Lower House hung on the vote of a Western Australian
National MP who sits on the crossbench.

TONY CROOK, WA NATIONALS: I will support Opposition amendments today.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Finally, if the bill failed to win the support of the Lower House, it would be the
first time in 80 years it happened - and in 1929 the Bruce Government resigned. There would be no
need for the Gillard Government to follow suit, but the Coalition was always going to play a lost
vote as a de facto no-confidence motion.

TONY ABBOTT: She scared of putting the legislation to the parliament because she is scared that
this parliament will no longer support her.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Labor's misjudgements on border protection have a rich history, but its recent past
is simply bewildering. After the High Court junked its plan to send 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia,
the Government decided to legislate its way around the problem. But the Greens are implacably
opposed to offshore processing, so the success of that move hung on getting the Coalition to back
the Government. Now, in case you've been asleep for much of the last two years, here's the one
thing the Government really want you to know about Tony Abbott.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: Those opposite, of course, said no, no, no, no and no.

CHRIS UHLMANN: So, at a critical juncture on a crucial weakness, Julia Gillard put her hopes in the
Opposition Leader breaking what she would have us believe is the habit of a lifetime.

Sure, but what if he says no?

JULIA GILLARD: Well, I'm going to keep putting that position to the Leader of the Opposition.

CHRIS UHLMANN: But it looks likely he will say no, and you must have a fallback position.

JULIA GILLARD: First things first. It is matter for the Leader of the Opposition and his judgment.

CHRIS UHLMANN: If your amendments fail, will you support the Government's?

TONY ABBOTT: No, we won't.

CHRIS UHLMANN: This morning the Government lost its last hope when Tony Crook said he would not
support the Government's amendment to the migration law.

TONY CROOK: I'm not killing anything off. It's a position for the Government and the Opposition to
sort out. They both support offshore processing. It there is a very, very fine line between these
two positions, but to suggest that I'm the one killing off offshore processing is blatantly wrong.

CHRIS UHLMANN: The bill was listed to be debated today, and finally it seems to have dawned on the
Government that losing this vote would be bad, so it started to manipulate the program to ensure
the bill didn't get debated.

DEPUTY SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Leader of Government, business in the House.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: Thanks, Mr Deputy Speaker. I move that main committee orders of the day number
six, relating to a national standard for fertilising products...

CHRIS UHLMANN: Fertiliser comes in many forms. The Government explained the reason for the change
of plans was that the Opposition had too many speakers.

JULIA GILLARD: The Opposition has around 30 speakers listed for the debate. I presume he would be
interested in listening to their contributions.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Behind the scenes, Labor was pedalling fast. It called an emergency Caucus meeting
and told members that it was essentially moving to onshore processing.

JULIA GILLARD: If we do see more boats, then we may have to confront the circumstance - indeed it's
likely we will have to confront the circumstance - of how we manage the mandatory detention network
under increasing pressure.

CHRIS UHLMANN: And so, kicking and screaming and losing an enormous amount of political capital on
the way, the Government has arrived at a policy that many of its own members have wanted for four

Morrison on blocked Malaysia deal

Shadow Immigration Minister Scott Morrison discusses the Coalition's rejection of the Federal
Government's proposed Malaysia solution.


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: The Shadow Immigration Minister Scott Morrison spoke to Chris Uhlmann in

CHRIS UHLMANN, POLITICAL EDITOR: Scott Morrison, welcome to 7.30. Have you put your political
interests over the public's national interest?

SCOTT MORRISON, SHADOW IMMIGRATION MINISTER: Of course not. We've been consistent with the policy
position we've held for a decade. We've offered that position to the Government in one amendment to
their bill. They refused to adopt that amendment out of stubborn pride and now they've folded their
tent, taken their bat and ball and gone home; they've just given up. It's a disgraceful

CHRIS UHLMANN: Don't you think it's necessary, though, to make it absolutely certain that if you
want to do offshore processing, you have the law behind you?

SCOTT MORRISON: This is why we offered the amendment. We know we can do Nauru on the existing law,
but we offered the support to strengthen the Migration Act only where we could maintain the
protections which the Government wanted to abolish.

CHRIS UHLMANN: And you offered the Government something you knew it couldn't accept.

SCOTT MORRISON: No, the Government wants to do off shore processing in Papua New Guinea. They can
do that under our amendment. What we provided - and which David Bennett, QC, actually also said -
was something that kept the protections and ensured it stayed out of the courts. That's what the
amendment should have done form the Government. We did it with our bill amendment and they rejected

CHRIS UHLMANN: David Bennett, the man that you just mentioned, is a former Solicitor-General. Why
wouldn't you take the advice of the current Solicitor-General, which is different?

SCOTT MORRISON: Well, his advice says our amendment goes better and goes beyond what the Government
has done in the key objectives of what this bill should achieve. The Prime Minister's had a
humiliation. She hasn't been able to command the confidence of the Parliament on this measure. Now,
of course Minister Bowen should resign, and of course the Prime Minister should resign, but what
they must do now is simply call an election and let the Australian people have their say - not just
on this mess but all the mess.

CHRIS UHLMANN: But that's entirely unlikely.

SCOTT MORRISON: Well, that's for the Government to be accountable for... this Prime Minister wants
to blame everyone - particularly the Opposition; even Chief Justices of the High Court don't miss a
spray from the Prime Minister when she's not happy with how things are proceeding on her watch. She
needs to take a good look in the mirror.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn't this mean that it is inevitable that we will see more people arriving by

SCOTT MORRISON: Well, that is a matter for the Government. We have offered them our support for
offshore processing. We are the architects of offshore processing; we have the have proven
policies. Tonight, what they've said is they are going to return to the policies of the Greens
rather than adopt the policies of the Coalition, and I think that just confirms what we all know -
and that is, Bob Brown's running the country.

CHRIS UHLMANN: And that means more pressure on mandatory detention, and more people moving into the
community. This is of course a system that you will inherit, should you get the election that you
want and win Government?

SCOTT MORRISON: Having to inherit another mess from a Labor Party while they've been in Government
is something Coalitions are very used to doing, and I think we need to have an election as soon as
possible to ensure that that mess doesn't get any worse than it currently is.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Now, the Government will offer up bridging visas and that will include some work in
the community. Do you have a problem with that?

SCOTT MORRISON: This mess is going to go from bad to worse. We'll wait to see further detail of
what the Government is proposing, but what the Government should do is they should adopt our
amendment and get on with the job.

CHRIS UHLMANN: But you will be aware of the bridging visas that they're talking about, because
that's what happens now to people who arrive by plane.

SCOTT MORRISON: There are several options that are available for the type of bridging visas, and
it's not clear which ones that plan to use at this stage.

CHRIS UHLMANN: But would you have a problem with that happening?

SCOTT MORRISON: Well, I don't know which ones they are going to use...

CHRIS UHLMANN: Well, obviously you know there are a suite of them...

SCOTT MORRISON: There are a suite of them, and many have been used in the past for much smaller
populations in the detention network when we were using them. What the Government now has is chaos
en masse all over the detention network, and they also have the problem of the message that
something like that would send at such a critical time as this when their border protection policy
is in such chaos. They don't have the confidence of the House. They don't have the confidence of
the Australian people, and they didn't have the confidence to put their own bill to a vote in the
House today.

CHRIS UHLMANN: What do you think the Australian people make of what they see in politics at the
moment, where neither side can agree on something where, at least at basis, they seem to have a
point of agreement?

SCOT MORRISON: Well, I think the Australian people know who to trust on this issue, and now the
difference couldn't be clearer. The proven policies of the Coalition: offshore processing,
temporary protection visas, turning boats back where the circumstances permit. We have said it for
a decade. The Government rejects it. We should have an election.

CHRIS UHLMANN: Scott Morrison, thank you.

LEIGH SALES: As well as Scott Morrison, we invited the Prime Minister and the Immigration Minister
Chris Bowen to be interviewed on the program tonight. Both declined.

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Funding needed for dementia research.

Australia is facing a surge in the rates of dementia sufferers as baby boomers move into old age,
prompting a need for increased Federal Government funding for research.


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: We all know that people are living longer than ever with the advances in
medicine and quality of living, but it means we're seeing more diseases symptomatic of old age
including dementia. Alzheimer's Australia released new research today that shows how serious the
challenges are facing governments, patients and carers as baby boomers move into old age. We can
expect to see a 50 per cent increase in people diagnosed with dementia in the next decade, as Mike
Sexton reports.

MIKE SEXTON, REPORTER: Although they didn't achieve the number, organisers of a rally today in
Canberra hoped for 1500 people. That way they could show the number of people each week in
Australia who are diagnosed with dementia.

The rally was staged by Alzheimer's Australia to demand greater awareness of, and funding for, a
condition it says will be the third-largest cost to health and residential care by 2030.

ITA BUTTROSE, PRESDENT, ALZHEIMER'S AUSTRALIA: The role of Government to help us find the money.
And we're very conscious of the fact there's a lot of demands on Government for money but unless we
address this issue, the cost down the track will be horrendous.

MARK BUTLER, MINISTER FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND AGEING: It's too early to talk about precise figures,
but I said at this rally, I've said many times before, that the challenge of dementia has to be
central to the age care plans we're putting in place now for the next five, 10 and 20 years.

MIKE SEXTON: Increased dementia is another sign of Australia's aging population, but it's a mistake
to think it's only an older person's disease. Among those at the rally was former nurse Kate
Swaffer, who's one of 16,000 Australians with early onset dementia.

KATE SWAFFER, DEMENTIA SUFFERER: Dementia is an illness with much stigma and my life has changed in
ways that are challenging to understand and difficult to live with.

MIKE SEXTON: Kate Swaffer was busy with her career and family when, in her late 40s, she began
suffering severe headaches that developed into what seemed like a form of dyslexia where her brain
struggled to process information and words.

KATE SWAFFER: I can't do maths anymore. I did maths one and math two at school. I can't even do
percentage with a calculator anymore. So managing things like money and bookwork is just not a
happening thing anymore.

MIKE SEXTON: Kate Swaffer's early onset of dementia is slowly taking away her memory, so she's
documenting her condition and her feelings in both a blog and a video. She's prepared medical
directions on how she should be treated if, for example, she loses the power to communicate or to

KATE SWAFFER: I guess the more personal things like letters to family and, for example, gifts for
my children's first baby in case I'm not around if they get married and have children. Little
things like that that you worry about.

MIKE SEXTON: Kate Swaffer suffers from a condition which falls under the general term "dementia".
The most commonly known is Alzheimer's disease, which is incurable.

JOHN BREITNER, MCGILL UNIVERSITY FACULTY OF MEDICINE: All we can do at best is to give people what
doctors and nurses and other health professionals have always given people - which is education,
advice, counsel, support, pointers. That information, in and of itself, is of enormous value to

Practically everyone of these people we're talking about, these 115 million people who will have
dementia by 2050, are alive today.

MIKE SEXTON: Canadian specialist John Breitner says at the moment dementia can only be diagnosed
once symptoms begin appearing, but he believes future treatments could come through brain imaging
that shows the biological changes that take place as the disease progresses. These so-called
biomarkers could be identified in had brains of those at the early stages of the condition, and
strategies developed to treat the emerging symptoms.

JOHN BREITNER: I think somewhere between five and 10 years we will have interventions that will
still be in the testing and proving stages - but with high degrees of promise - and some time after
that we'll have, we hope, interventions that are ready for prime time.

MIKE SEXTON: That all a long way off for Kate Swaffer, who's adjusting to her life changes with the
help of a carer a few hours per week. She's concerned that while people over 65 come under aged
care, those with early onset don't qualify for the same help.

KATE SWAFFER: We're not so easy to just dump into the dementia units because we don't want to go
there, and there's no funding for us to go there either.

MARK BUTLER: We're also having a very deep discussion with the sector and with families impacted by
this condition about the best way to support them. Is it essentially using the same expertise we
get out of the aged care sector or is it something better dealt with in the disabilities framework?
That a discussion that's continuing.

MIKE SEXTON: For today, there was much support among patients and carers, and the knowledge that
dementia is an issue that's not going away.

Rugby rivalry

The Wallabies will face off against the All Blacks for a place in the Rugby World Cup final in a
Trans-tasman rivalry spanning more than a century.


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: It's one match early, but the much-anticipated Rugby World Cup show-down
between the Wallabies and the All Blacks will take place on Sunday in Auckland in a semi-final.
Australia are the underdogs, but they're trying to improve their chances by spooking the Kiwis,
reminding them that they have a history of underperforming at key World Cup moments. Peter Wilkins

PETER WILKINS, REPORTER: It's one of the fiercest rivalries in world sport. Australia and New
Zealand battling for supremacy on the rugby field.

SIMON POIDEVIN, FORMER WALLABY CAPTAIN: As a 21-year-old in 1980, I played the All Blacks six times
and won two. It was like, "Here they come again," and in those days it was full-on rucking, so I
finished that All Black tour here in 1980 with very little skin left on my back from All Black

PETER WILKINS: In the history of confrontations between the two nations dating back more than a
century, never has a contest been laden with such intrigue.

BRETT PAPWORTH, FORMER WALLABY: The public expectation is enormous. We won last time out, and the
last team they wanted to play was us.

PETER WILKINS: At the core of that intrigue is All Black rugby supremacy.

SIMON POIDEVIN: They're the best rugby team in the world.

PETER WILKINS: The records say that's not in question, winning 75 per cent of all matches played,
including against their celebrated neighbour.

ANY ELLIS, ALL BLACK HALF BACK: As a Kiwi growing up, they're our big ones really. Love getting one
over them. Bit of a smaller country than them so it makes it even sweeter when we do.

PETER WILKINS: But in the theatre of the World Cup, apart from success in the inaugural tournament
in 1987 in New Zealand, there has been disappointment with only one trophy in six attempts of the
standard bearer of the game.

BRETT PAPWORTH: I think their track record in World Cups plays on their mind a little bit.

PETER WILKINS: Gallingly, their less qualified archrival has two, the first in 1991.

Simon, holding the World Cup in your hands, what was that like?

SIMON POIDEVIN: It's 20 years ago this year and it seems like yesterday. That's how good it is to
have that one in the bank.

PETER WILKINS: The next Cup deposit was eight years later. New Zealand's account dried up, but
hopes are high for another instalment.

DAVID KIRK, FORMER ALL BLACK CAPTAIN: I feel good about us. I think we're good enough to win. I
think we've got great people in this All Black team; really well prepared, so I'm confident we can
do it but it's tough.

PETER WILKINS: Despite the Wallabies' inferior record over the years, particularly during the last
decade, there's a conundrum: even in times of questionable form, the Australians think they can get
the job done - just as they did in the 1991 and 2003 World Cups.

RUGBY PLAYER: No, we didn't choke at all. We just got beaten by a better team.

PETER WILKINS: Capped 59 times as a workaholic flanker, Simon Poidevin recognises an Achilles'

SIMON POIDEVIN: It's the critical games where we've got them. 2003 semi-final in Sydney, roaring
favourites. I think New Zealanders will remember that more than maybe the games they won in the
previous two years against Australia.

PETER WILKINS: This weekend, Australia has the added hurdle of fortress Eden Park. The Wallabies
haven't won there since 1986, when mercurial Brett Papworth was Man of the Match.

BRETT PAPWORTH: Possibly the highlight of my career was beating them there. I just remember them
coming out all guns blazing. They ran it from everywhere, which surprised us, but we got there. We
had a good team back then.

PETER WILKINS: But Simon Poidevin believes the long World Cup campaign is to the Wallabies'
advantage in negating the Eden Park hoodoo.

SIMON POIDEVIN: It's always been a big trap for an Australian side to fly into Auckland or
Wellington or Dunedin and play the All Blacks in a one-off test match. I think you're really at a
disadvantage. Being there for virtually six, seven weeks rolling into this, big advantage.

PETER WILKINS: This battle is laced with uncertainty. New Zealand will be without injured star
fly-half Dan Carter.

BRETT PAPWORTH: They will spend all week stressing about the fact that Dan Carter's not there, is
the replacement up to it, what are they going to do? It's a good place for our guys.

PETER WILKINS: While Australia's play-maker Quade Cooper a confidence bypass against South Africa.

QUADE COOPER, WALLABY FLY-HALF: I don't care if I have a shocker and we win as a team.

PETER WILKINS: And the coaching corner is a psychological minefield; Kiwi Robbie Deans looking for
a treasonous result against his homeland. The All Black legend has seemingly groaned with the
intensity of their pregame ritual, the haka.

BRETT PAPWORTH: It wasn't as fearsome then, I promise. It was almost cartoon-like. Now they are
just into it and it seems really meaningful for them.

PETER WILKINS: But the spoils from this semi-final seem greater than ever. Defeat on home shores
for the favourites - defeat on home shores for the favourites would be the bitterest pill to

ROCKY ELSOM, WALLABY FORWARD: There is hell of lot of expectation. What it does to them I'm not
sure but you definitely know it's there.

PETER WILKINS: Do the Wallabies deserve a third World Cup?

BRETT PAPWORTH: Not on what they've shown us this time around in this World Cup, no, but if they
can knock the All Blacks over at Eden Park in a semi-final, they'll go into final as favourites.

SIMON POIDEVIN: We now play the All Blacks at their home patch knowing that all the mental stress
is on those guys, so the more you can rattle them, smash them, put them on the back foot - which we
can do - the more chance we have of winning that game.

Clarke and Dawe on the carbon tax

Bryan Dawe interviews a leading film producer about the premiere of the carbon tax movie.


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Time now for John Clarke and Bryan Dawe.

BRIAN DAWE: Thanks for coming in tonight.

JOHN CLARKE: It's a great pleasure to be here and good evening.

BRIAN DAWE: You must have been excited this week?

JOHN CLARKE: We have been a bit excited this week, it has been a big week, yes.

BRIAN DAWE: Carbon Tax: The Movie?

JOHN CLARKE: Yes, the launch was just an enormous success.

BRIAN DAWE: It went well?

JOHN CLARKE: Oh, it went fabulously, nearly everyone was there.

BRIAN DAWE: Everyone was there!

JOHN CLARKE: Well, nearly everyone was there, I mean, um...

BRIAN DAWE: It looked as if they were swinging from the rafters.

JOHN CLARKE: Yes, we're going to have to have a word with a couple of them...

BRIAN DAWE: I mean it seemed very crowded, is what I'm saying.

JOHN CLARKE: I see. Take your point. Yes, well, it was very crowded.

BRIAN DAWE: And it went well though?

JOHN CLARKE: Oh yeah, it was a huge success.

BRIAN DAWE: You said nearly everyone was there. Was somebody missing?

JOHN CLARKE: Well, Sophie Mirabella wasn't there, unfortunately...

BRIAN DAWE: Oh, she plays the headmistress, doesn't she?

JOHN CLARKE: No no no, that's Julie Bishop.

BRIAN DAWE: Oh, that's right, Sophie plays the neighbour with the coal shutters...

JOHN CLARKE: That's right. Who complains about the noise and so on. She's great in the film. Just

BRIAN DAWE: Why wasn't she at the opening?

JOHN CLARKE: Oh, some problem with her foot.

BRIAN DAWE: Her foot?


BRIAN DAWE: How did that happen?

JOHN CLARKE: I don't think they've found the weapon.

BRIAN DAWE: But a firearm of some sort.

JOHN CLARKE: Some small arms fire was apparently heard.

BRIAN DAWE: No appearance, your worship?

JOHN CLARKE: No appearance, your worship.

BRIAN DAWE: I believe in the film version they've upped the romance element, is that right?

JOHN CLARKE: Well, they have slightly. I don't know whether you're familiar with the book?

BRIAN DAWE: Oh, I loved it. Loved it.

JOHN CLARKE: You know the character, uh, Julia in the book?

BRIAN DAWE: Yeah, yeah.

JOHN CLARKE: Well, in the book - I don't know whether you remember - but she's having a fight with
her ex-boss.

BRIAN DAWE: This is the Troy Donahue type?

JOHN CLARKE: The one who looks a bit like Troy... yeah, the character's name is Kevin.


JOHN CLARKE: Kevin. She's having a fight with... well, um...

BRIAN DAWE: Oh, don't tell me they've got back together again.

JOHN CLARKE: They get back together again.


JOHN CLARKE: I kid you not.

BRIAN DAWE: Don't tell me that!

JOHN CLARKE: They get back together. They kiss!

BRIAN DAWE: They don't! Oh, yuck!

JOHN CLARKE: They kiss. In front of everybody. Everybody sees this.

BRIAN DAWE: Oh, my God.

JOHN CLARKE: It's quite fantastic. It's in all the papers.

BRIAN DAWE: This will go platinum.

JOHN CLARKE: It will. It's in all the papers. It's quite a fantastic moment. They get this carbon
tax through, the lights dim, a bit of soft music and whoof! Yeah, yeah, it's brilliant! No, you'll
love it.

BRIAN DAWE: Oh no! And they kiss?

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, and they kiss.

BRIAN DAWE: Did Tony see this?

JOHN CLARKE: Well, here's the thing, Tony's standing about there. He can hardly miss it. I mean,
they're doing it... it literally happens before his eyes.

BRIAN DAWE: Shut the front door.

JOHN CLARKE: It's going to be bigger than Texas.

BRIAN DAWE: Poor Tony. He must have been devastated.

JOHN CLARKE: You know that sort of overjoyed look he does sometimes?

BRIAN DAWE: Yeah, around the midriff.

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, none of that.

BRIAN DAWE: What happens next?

JOHN CLARKE: I don't know. I haven't read the next bit. Have you read the next book?


JOHN CLARKE: I have no idea what happens next.

BRIAN DAWE: Maybe we should go and tweet or something.

JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, we better go on Twitter. We'll be back in a minute.

go and tweet or something.

we better go on Twitter. We'll be back in a minute.

That's the program for tonight. Tomorrow you'll have State edition s of 7:30 and I'll be back you
on Monday. Hope you join me then.

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