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more than 2,000 young offenders In the prisons of America there are to life without parole who've been sentenced for committing murder in their teens. in a square house until I die. YOUTH: They're going to put me It's about really what they want. and hopelessness. So sometimes there's real despair

out there OK, there's a whole lot of life and you're no part of it. They took lives. they took fathers. They took sons, they took mothers, and we can never get it back. They took so much away from people There's no question about that. These are the worst of the worst.

In states like Colorado, mandatory sentencing laws politicians have passed targeting under-age offenders. a big political issue Crime has always been politicians to say, and so it's very easy for the sentences longer. "Let's punish. Let's make "Let's not let people get out." a cure for cancer in there. I don't care if he finds He should never get out of prison.

Vengeance is vengeance. Vengeance is not justice. sends the message - Life without parole you're worthless, you're a monster. you're not worthy of rehabilitation, You're not fit for society

that needs to be kept away. and you're a dangerous rabid animal from America's PBS Frontline, Tonight, the stories of three young men of their lives in prison. who will spend the rest calls the scene gruesome. NEWSREADER: Teller County sheriff heinous crimes in Colorado in 1992. It was one of the most Scene of the double homicide. the house right now. We'll be entering

may have taken place in here. Looks like a scuffle Quite a bit of blood lost. OK, coming around the bedroom. and a classmate 15-year-old Jacob Ind his mother and stepfather. brutally killed

Jacob is now 29 years old. have had just as much time in prison In another year, I would as out of prison. I've been more in prison than out. All my conscious life, For some reason, he haunted me. I could not forget about Jacob. Mary Ellen Johnson, about the case, who would eventually write a book from her daughter, first heard about it who was Jacob's classmate. Everybody was talking about it. a small town, a small mountain town, This was a very unusual happening in a murder happening there. and nobody could remember They lived in a very lovely home. parked outside of their house. They had a big motor home

with a fabulous view. The house sat up on a hill I used to drive by it and think, in that kind of a house." "I wonder who lives They were a very handsome couple. They were like the perfect parents. "Yes, ma'am," "No, sir." The boys were very well behaved - They were the perfect family.

as perfect as it seemed. But the family was not and anxiety. The home was filled with fear

on what's going to happen that day, Every morning was an assessment

are they going to be in, what kind of mood a halfway decent day? is it going to be

than Jacob, is now a therapist. Charles, four years older coming back from school I always remember and being able to relax

opened, until we heard the garage door of panic and just the overwhelming feeling

because then again, what's going to happen that night. we had to reassess on emotional and physical, and sexual, What often happened was abuse - stepfather, Kermode Jordan, sexual abuse inflicted by their when the boys were four and eight. who married their mother old, Charles moved out of the house. In August 1992, when he was 18 years

For the first time I said, any longer. "No, I won't be around this man

"I'm not going to take it." he went to Social Services But before he left, he says, on his brother. to ask them to keep an eye This was part of my plan. my brother. I went to ask if he could help and I'll - And he said, "I have my notes, "and we'll start an investigation." The social worker would claim this part of the conversation that he didn't remember when, a few months later,

and stepfather to death. Jacob shot his mother charged with first-degree murder NEWSREADER: The 16-year-old is stepfather, Pam and Kermode Jordan, for killing his mother and in their Woodland Park home. When these homicides happen, crime scenes you'll ever see. they tend to be some of the worst what they're talking about, Now the term "heinous" may go to is a heinous person. the nature of the kid, that the kid

I don't agree with that. These kids, by and large, situations at home. are responding to typically horrific They see no way out. a confluence of circumstances, And when they kill, through that's supposed to be unexpected, but if you look at their lives, that is waiting to happen. it unfortunately follows a tragedy spent the day NEWSREADER: The 16-year-old boy

witnesses... stoically watching a parade of Jacob's trial took place two years later, in 1994. NEWSREADER ..to evaluate the 16-year-old after he shot and killed his mother and stepfather... It was in the news every day. ..nervously twitching a pen, was in from the beginning on the killing of his own parents... The one witness who could shed light on Jacob's life at home was his older brother, Charles. There were many secrets in the house that we didn't tell people.

I did my best as far as explaining to the court the type of environment that we were in... ..the pain... ..that we were experiencing and being inflicted upon... ..even the sexual abuse. I broke my code of silence... ..and in front of the whole world to see, with the cameras rolling and everything. CHARLES IN COURT: He would basically rape us. He would wait until we got home,

oftentimes sneaking up behind me or Jacob,

and throwing us into the bathroom, literally taking us by the shoulders and tossing us into the bathroom. Have us get undressed, then tie us. He would... ..start... ..start to masturbate.

And after he was done, he would get dressed... ..and say, "You're so (BLEEP) dirty. "Go and take a (BLEEP) shower." Always laughing. It - it was always - I mean, to say it was maniacal would be an understatement,

just laughing, chuckling, pleased with himself. NEWSREADER: Ind has never said, at least on record, that he was molested, but his brother testified that it happened to both boys. The problem is, is child abuse is the perfect crime. It's a perfect crime because parents who do it seal their own protection because they know the kids are typically, A - not going to fight back, and B - typically not report.

Did your mother know? I think she did know, in the back of her mind. I think she was very much in denial about the true nature of Kermode. In Jacob's case, not only didn't she protect him, she was doing the same things to him. And it wasn't just sexual abuse. I mean, she treated him horrendously. He was about eight, nine months old. And we went in - she did not know I had followed her in there, and she just kind of grabbed Jacob and she goes, "I just hate you. I just..." She goes, "I wish you had never been born," you know? I just felt... Jacob was conceived to save the marriage, to repair it. And he became the representation of her broken dreams. And I think, in many, many respects she resented Jacob's entire existence.

Growing up, Jacob began to cut himself. All my life, I've been a cutter. When things get hard, I cut on myself and it makes me feel better. I get this huge ball of - I couldn't even name the emotion. I mean, it was just chaos inside, and cutting would be the only way to release it.

No-one paid attention. When your cries for help go unheard, there are no options. At that point - and I understand this is where Jacob was coming from... ..this was pure survival. NEWSREADER: Some of the evidence prosecutors brought out today

and part of a wall. included a baseboard, a door, All are splattered with blood. impacting the blood, There has to be some type of force causing the blood to... to the child The extreme damage done in the rage of the homicide. is reflected They have to use the baseball bat They have to stab numerous times. a gun, they fire the whole barrel. They never fire one bullet from It's not just bang and you're dead.

Never, never, never. Never happens like that.

to commit murder? NEWSREADER: But is abuse a reason must eventually answer. A question the jury All I wanted was something to end. of their deaths, I didn't really grasp the permanency definitely didn't understand to kill somebody. the gravity of what it means that they would feel pain. I mean, I didn't think

would be affected. I didn't think that anybody else And now when I think back it's, like, "Oh, my God." and I realise the amount of pain, in the police station. I mean, I remember I was sitting how out of touch with reality I was. I mean, this is like an eighth of an ounce, I had a small amount of marijuana, in my bedroom. And I'm telling my brother, or else I'm in trouble." "You got to get the marijuana first-degree murder, I'm arrested for and I don't think I'm in trouble. "Get my homework from school I'm telling my brother, "and get my absence excused." has been exaggerated, Whatever happened in that house for one purpose... it has been exaggerated as an excuse to kill. ..to get this defendant off for killing. And there should be no excuse and it was painful. So the trial was agonising And I certainly didn't feel served, or let alone justice. as though human dignity was ever As for count number one, Jacob Ind, we the jury find the defendant, guilty of first-degree murder. murder sentence. They came down with a first-degree according to the letter of the law They said,

is what he did. first-degree murder As for count number two... If you look at around the country, who commit homicide, the way people are treated parents who kill their children, we treat most leniently those

teenagers who kill their parents. and we treat most harshly the

Even the judge at sentencing said, I have no choice." "My hands are tied. his life sentence. And she handed him

will be incarcerated Colorado, where Jacob for the rest of his life, progressive states in the country. was once one of the most advanced Colorado was always considered juvenile justice system. in terms of its a youth correctional system And we developed if not internationally, that was known nationally,

of youth offenders, for its treatment youth offenders. particularly violent When we were growing up, that children had the right to fail. there was an expectation to make mistakes. They had the right very significant mistakes, In some cases, we made throw in the towel for us. but people didn't

to learn from those mistakes, They were willing to allow us

and become productive citizens. to move forward is very unforgiving. I think society now has no patience for even children. Society is very intolerant and The change in attitude and policy highly publicised increase was triggered by a sharp, committed by young offenders in violent crimes during the late 1980s and '90s. dies as a result of gunfire. Every 92 minutes, an American child younger and younger teens NEWSREADER: Nationwide, heinous crimes. are committing more and more In Colorado, the events of 1993 as "the summer of violence." were labelled by the press kids using guns There has been an epidemic of in the Denver metropolitan area. shooting victim is clinging to life, NEWSCASTER: In Denver, another young are saying 'Enough'. while some grown-ups now has continued, NEWSREADER: The killing and summer is only half over. publicity about it. So there was a lot of still were never solved, Many of the crimes had grave fear. but the community

running out there. We have wild animals and quit poisoning our children. We have to get them off the street over and over and over again. The media covered these stories most intensive five-day periods Policy-makers met in one of the that I've ever experienced, tougher on crime. looking at how could we become So it became a process of almost one-upsmanship.

a simple formula - The legislature seized upon should be treated as adults. youths who committed adult crimes since 1991 to life without parole, And because adults could be sentenced so would juveniles. And I'm not sure we really even knew what we were doing should be direct filed on when we decided that juveniles without parole. and should start serving life That was very reactive. got lost But the whole identity of children and we started seeing prosecutors say things like, these are murderers." "These aren't children, Charging juveniles as adults of the prosecutors. was left to the discretion We make that decision. We do that. Are we going to treat this individual as a juvenile,

or are we going to treat him as an adult? I have to tell you, in first-degree murder - first-degree murders, in these kinds of as adults. most of the time we treat them These are egregious crimes. a big political issue, Crime has always been for politicians to say, and so it's very easy Let's make the sentences longer. "Let's punish. "Let's not let people get out." by the local media, After a vigourous campaign representative Lynn Hefley, a bill sponsored by Republican finally reached the legislature. was fraught with tensions. The passage of the bill

were adamantly against it, The victims' families

District Attorneys Council while the powerful agreed only to a watered-down bill, which changed the sentence for juveniles from life to 40 years with possible parole at the end. The new law would apply only to future offenders. It would not apply to the 45 juveniles in Colorado already serving life without parole.

The decision not to make it retroactive was probably a compromise, perhaps a political deal. Don't forget, the families of victims are very powerful advocates. One could certainly argue that if you were to make this law retroactive and re-sentence these juveniles to something less than life without parole,

that you are taking something away from the families of victims, what they felt was that a sentence that reflected a justice, perhaps a vengeance, that they felt they deserved because of the loss that they suffered. And I can certainly understand the politics of such a thing, of such a deal. Do you understand the justice of such a deal? Well, that's a very good question. I don't know that I understand the justice of such a deal. I think the politics

of criminal punishment in the U.S. often trump issues of justice, so I'll understand it better as a political question than as a justice question. Mitch Morrissey, the District Attorney in Denver, fought hard against making the law retroactive. His main reason, he says, was the victims' families.

I have dealt with these families. I have been in these murder scenes.

I have personally been involved in handling a lot of these cases. And again, we are talking about, for the most part, juvenile offenders that are some of the worst murderers in the history of the state of Colorado. And I don't think their age has anything to do with it. These are horrendous crimes. They took lives. They took sons. They took mothers. They took fathers. They took aunts. They took uncles. They took so much away from people, and we can never get it back. Their family gets to go to the prison system and spend Thanksgiving with them. We never got that. We have to go to the cemetery. Gail Palone is the mother of a victim of juvenile crime.

Her son was killed 10 years ago by then 17-year-old Trevor Jones.

When Trevor was found guilty, they promised us that he would get life in prison with no chance of parole. The state promised us that, and the state should see to it that that's what happens. Gail's only child, Matthew Foley, was killed when he was 16.

Matthew was a very giving, kind kid. He was the type of kid that brightened any room when he walked into it. He lived for sports, from the time he was little.

I didn't have to worry about him watching violent movies or anything on TV because sports was on our TV all the time. He wanted to go to Notre Dame. He wanted to be a sports journalist.

He was just a great kid. Trevor Jones did not do as well at that age. When he was 14, he started skipping school, and within the next three years, he drifted into alcohol and drugs. He had a record of several misdemeanour charges for fighting and driving under the influence. Then in November 1996,

he saw a chance to make some money off his classmate, Matt Foley. Matt was looking to buy a handgun for his cousin. Trevor devised a scheme to con Matt and arranged a meeting in a parking lot. The scheme was that I would pretend I was going to sell him the gun, and him to give me the money. And then I tell him to let me see the gun again so I could show him something about it. And then I would have both the money and the gun, and then we could leave. It was supposed to be kind of a fool-proof scheme because you can't really go and say, "Hey, I was trying to buy a gun from a guy and he took my money." But it was not fool-proof.

Suddenly, Trevor said, the gun discharged. I didn't really realize what had happened,

and then I heard J.P. scream something. And then I realised something really bad had happened. He turned around, he said, and ran. He hid outside through the night, then read in the paper that Matt Foley was dead. It was horrible just knowing I'd shot him. I didn't mean to shoot him at all, and then I find out that he died. And there's really no words to describe it. You know, there's...I really can't put words to it. The police came to our door. I knew. I knew something was wrong. He was the type of kid that was always home on time. The police told us that Matt was dead, but I didn't really know that Trevor was wanted for killing him.

He turned himself in the next morning. I went to the jail with my mom to visit Trevor. It was just really sad to see him in the jail. He was really scared. He was 17, and he was in the adult jail. Trevor went to trial in June 1997.

He was charged as an adult with four crimes - reckless manslaughter, conspiracy to commit robbery, robbery and felony murder. The most serious of the charges was felony murder. I was still just so sure that people were going to understand that this was an accident. I was just so sure that they were going to understand that. The jury did, in fact, understand and found Trevor guilty of reckless manslaughter. The jury thought that it was essentially a very bad accident. That is what reckless manslaughter is. But the jury also found him guilty of robbery, which resulted in the charge of felony murder and the punishment of life without parole. Felony murder is one form of first-degree murder in Colorado. There are various types of first-degree murder. The most common, or the most well-known, is after deliberation and with intent to cause a death, you cause a death. Felony murder is different in that it is what we call a strict liability crime. So long as you have committed certain acts, it doesn't matter what your intent was. In the case of felony murder, if you've committed, for example, the crime of robbery, and during that robbery, or immediately thereafter or while you're fleeing from the robbery, the death of a person is caused because of the defendant's conduct, because of the robbery, it doesn't matter who causes that conduct.

So long as it is caused in the context of that robbery or the flight from the robbery, then the defendant is responsible for that death. Kathleen Byrne often works for the state. She represented the state in Trevor's case, defending the conviction of felony murder in his appeal. He committed the robbery, which is two to six years,

so far as I read the statute. He committed conspiracy to commit robbery, which I think is one to three years. And he committed reckless manslaughter, which I think is two to six years. A trial court could sentence them to run one after another or all at the same time. His sentence could have been between two and fifteen years, the way I calculate it. But because of the felony murder rule, he was convicted of first degree murder, and that's automatic life without parole. You mean life without parole, instead of 12 to 15 years at the most, that he could have gotten? And that is very- that is just the facts. There's not a shred of opinion in there, that is the fact. Do you have an opinion? No, I have no opinion. laughs. It's a very harsh rule. It's a very harsh rule,

and I think a lot of people question whether it's an appropriate rule to maintain. It may be time for it to go. The felony murder statute has its roots in 12th century English law. It was abolished in England 50 years ago, in part because of public outcry over the unfairness of the punishment. Nationwide, it is estimated that a quarter of the young offenders

sentenced to life without parole have been convicted of felony murder. It is a law that affects more juveniles than adults, since juveniles tend to act in groups, and felony murder assigns the same culpability to everyone involved in the underlying felony, even if a murder is committed by only one of the group.

That's what happened in Colorado Springs in July 1999. No-one knows for sure which of the three suspects killed Kristopher Lohrmeyer. POLICE OFFICER: When officers arrived on the scene, they found one young male that had been shot in the back of the head. NEWSREADER: Police suspect it was an attempted car-jacking. Lohrmeyer was just leaving work. 17-year-old Kristopher Lohrmeyer was killed instantly. POLICE OFFICER: Officers did a search of the area and did locate three juveniles who matched the description. Two of the three suspects confessed and made a deal for second-degree murder in exchange for implicating the third one, Andrew Medina. Medina was held in jail, awaiting trial. He was 15 at the time.

The main evidence against him was the word of his co-defendants. He was such a little kid. He was tiny - physically. He was 5-3 maybe 120, 125 at the time. And he was so young emotionally. He's just a very young kid. Andy grew up with a dream of being somebody, but the reality was a learning disability,

a difficult father and an overwhelmed young mother. Andy had a very poor family support. He had a broken family. His father was an alcoholic and came to court a few times, intoxicated and very abusive. His mother had a very difficult time dealing with the proceedings and would sort of be in and out. He was, in essence, abandoned throughout the course of the trial.

His original lawyer did the greatest disservice to a client I'd ever seen in my life. She belonged to a church in Colorado Springs,

and she found out that the victim was a member of the same church, his family was a member of the same church, and she got Andy to write a letter, or really, she wrote the letter and had Andy write it out longhand. Basically, it was a letter saying, "I apologize. I'm so sorry." It never admitted doing the crime, but it made it clear that he knew about the crime, was involved in the crime, and that's enough for felony murder. And it's insane. You can't do that. You're a defense attorney, you need to protect your client. Andrew hadn't confessed. He had made no statement to the police. He had a defense of saying, "I wasn't there."

and instead he got sent to prison for life. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that I would be speaking at a memorial service for Kris Lohrmeyer at the age of 17. The victim, Kristopher Lohrmeyer, was deeply mourned by his family and his community, and no-one found solace in Andy Medina's apology. Senseless, stupid tragedy.

When you see the consequences of what these juveniles do, and you deal with it, then you understand.

When you sentence somebody to prison with life without parole, then that family knows where this person will be for the rest of their life. They don't have to go to repeated parole hearings, time after time,

explaining to a parole board, and maybe a new parole board, what it meant to their family to lose their father, to lose their child. The pain's always there, but you learn to live with it. It never goes away. Ever. You just don't get over it. There's birthdays. There's holidays.

Matthew's favourite holiday was Christmas. I missed out on graduations, weddings, babies. All that, Trevor took from me.

Oh, I'm very regretful of who I had become at that time. A lot of shame, a lot of shame that that's who I was out there. So I don't have any good thoughts or good opinions about thinking back on who I was when I was 17. We knew Trevor was going to do some time in prison. Nobody ever said he was innocent,

and 12 or 15 years seems much more appropriate than automatic life without parole. Nobody even thinks of any mitigating circumstances. Nobody even looks at the fact that he was 17, or that was an accident.

The victim's family never believed it was an accident. An accident's an accident. But it wasn't. It was cold-blooded murder, and I don't feel different. I never will feel different. Trevor has been in prison for 10 years. I think we're just starting to get a picture of what an entire generation of young people experience when they're sentenced to life without parole. We know what the families of the victims of their crimes feel as well. And so we can try and weigh the loss of families,

which is quite horrible, against the level of punishment, or the severity of the punishment of juveniles,

and make a decision societally about whether we are achieving the goals of justice, retribution, or any other component of punishment, relative to what this punishment really is like when it's experienced. You're put out in a box somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and that's where they're going to keep you until your life is over. Unfortunately, my mind daydreams about what could be, and then, obviously, I have to come to that point where, "Hey, you got to quit daydreaming

"or imagining those kinds of things because you are stuck in here, "and it's going to be forever." Sometimes the actual weight of it all really comes down on you, comes down on me, and, ah, you know, get real upset about being stuck here forever. It doesn't get less painful with time, it gets worse, actually,

because when you're 17 - and I was 19 -

you can't explain to people that age what they're - what they're gambling with. You can't explain to them what the rest of their life could be and what it holds. And so as I grow up, and see everything that he's missing and everything he can't do and everything I have to do without him, it's just - it's just painful all the time. What Trevor did manage to do, with the financial help of family and friends, was to pursue his education. Have you changed, do you think? Oh, yeah. There's no continuity between the person I was and who I am today. I mean, I was a kid when I got locked up, and I've grown up. I'm a Christian now. That's been very influential. And as a combination of those two, probably,

I was able to really pursue higher education. That's done a lot to make me the person I am today. He is now studying for the ministry. You know, I don't care if he finds a cure for cancer in there. He should never get out of prison. He killed somebody. He took a life. It's so easy for these prisoners to say they find God in prison.

Go to county jail, you'll find God there also. I'm not kidding. They all come into court carrying a Bible. No. He should have found it way before he pulled any trigger. No forgiveness here.

None. None. There never will be. There never will be. The emotions on the two sides could not be more passionate, or more polarised. The audacity of sending a child to prison for the rest of his life is so stunning to me. The legislature has determined that adolescent brain development prohibits kids

from being able to plan and focus and deliberate, and so in the state of Colorado, it's illegal for a teenager to drive with another kid under 18 in the car with them. At the same time, this same legislature has said these kids with the same adolescent brains can form the culpable mental state or the intent to commit murder and be locked up for the rest of their lives.

And so while Andy couldn't drive in a car with his two co-defendants, he can go to trial with his two co-defendants

and face life in prison as an adult. I don't know if I fully understood, but I kind of understood, you know, because my emotions just took over when he said guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. You know life, you know. Andy understood it in such simple terms that it was more pathetic. He understood that he was never going to eat McDonald's again and he understood that he was never going to be able to play with his brother again. He understood it in very basic- "These are the things as

"a kid that I am never going to get to do again." Sandra is Andy Medina's mother. I was devastated. I was crushed. There is no words. I cried. I mean, there is just no words to describe how I felt. You know, it totally changed my life. I can only imagine, you know, what my son's went through. I mean, he's told me things. But it's awful for me, you know, and my other son.

It's just awful, you know? Shawna and Darren had tried to prepare Sandra was coming. for what they feared that Darren and I realised There came a point probably be able to win this case. that we weren't going to with his family At that point, I tried to work to prison for the rest of his life. on getting them ready for Andy to go I told his mother, and hold him and touch him "You'll be able to go to the prison "and spend time with him." I tried to reassure them family visits. that they would have that kind of for one year - This was more or less true - to Colorado State Penitentiary, and then Andy was transferred the supermax. Colorado State Penitentiary We'll start by saying that

segregation facility is the maximum administrative for the state of Colorado. as evidence in a death penalty case. This video was presented We manage 750-756 - to be exact -

inmates that are deemed violent, predatory. to be incorrigible, dangerous, and that he was somehow They claimed that he was in a gang caused a riot or incited a riot one of the leaders of a group that at one of the facilities.

representing him, it's ludicrous. And from what I know of Andy from that that's possibly true. I can't imagine the decision to transfer him When Andy first questioned he asked for a lawyer. to the supermax, "does not permit participation He was told that the hearing and that the testimony "of private counsel," is confidential and to the offender at any time." "shall not be revealed but it's just saying it. They can say whatever they want, They have no standards. There's just nothing to back it up. of getting out. There's no date of their own destiny here Inmates are in charge and program-compliant. because it's behaviour-driven If his behaviour - regardless of age, This is a place where inmates,

or months, but mostly years. are locked up not for weeks confinement 23 hours a day, They keep the inmates in solitary as I understand it. 365 days a year, be a comfortable place to do time. It's intended to not incorrigible inmates in the system. This is where we house the most Sandra visits her son every week. or give him a kiss on the cheek I can't hug him or anything, no. or buy him a pop or a snack

but it feels like he's not. You know, he's alive, it's awful, you know? I don't know how to...you know, when I go out, I cry. It's awful. I cry when I go see him. You know, It really tears me up, you know? my... I just have to...I just swallow I use the term swallow my tears. pounds. He has twitches in his body. He's probably lost 20 His right arm twitches up, His whole body twitches. and his elbow comes up. when you talk to him. It's...you want to cry in the prison system to be That is the worst place because they don't care. about anything. They don't care about your rights, It's wrong. It's inhumane. He will die in there, you know? Department of Corrections, According to the Colorado the last 4.5 years to be released Andy has not made enough progress in into the general prison population. laws that give life without parole Legislatures which pass

about the rehabilitation to teenagers typically don't care giving teenagers any hope. of teenagers, don't care about locking them up All they care about is locking up, and those kids be damned. and throwing away the key, extreme vengeance for kids We get vengeance, who've committed serious crimes. vengeance is vengeance. Vengeance is not justice, And yet the United States is party

Civil and Political Rights, to the International Covenant on of young offenders which urges rehabilitation

to life without parole. and prohibits sentencing them with a few reservations. In 1992, the U.S. ratified it At the time of the ratification, sentenced as juveniles the U.S. had about 400 inmates to life without parole. Today there are more than 2,000. According to Human Rights Watch,

there are only 12. in the rest of the world I threw away my life. I had no concept whatsoever. None. That's the hardest thing. There's no reason to live. look forward to something. I mean, you have to sit there and