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Live. Tonight, in the

aftermath of disaster. As well

as an urban search and rescue

team, we're also sending a

Defence Force engineering assessment team which will be

able to give assistance on the

some of the difficult engineering aspects of

searching buildings that have

been damaged by the

earthquake. The search for

survivors continues in

Sumatra. In Sam yark the

burials begin.

Good evening, welcome to

Lateline, I'm Leigh Sales.

Malcolm Turnbull has taken a

major gamble this week that

could ire resuscitate his

ailing Opposition leadership or

cause it to flatline. Mr

Turnbull insists his party room

get behind him on its negotiating with the government on the emissions trading

scheme. His detractors still

say they will refuse to cooperate. I don't think that

is a credible position. I

think, if you have any sense of

the importance of Parliament,

if the government says, "Look,

this is an important topic, we

know it's a difficult one, we'd

like to talk", as long as the

government is serious about

that, and we we'll discover

soon enough whether they are, I

think we've got to respond. We

have indicated all along we are committed to tackling climate

change seriously, keen to go to

the Copenhagen conference with

a formal Australian position,

so we have to get it through

the Senate. We will be

approaching any amendments put

forward by the Opposition with

a constructive frame of mind.

Joining Lateline tonight are

Labor's Lindsay Tanner and the Coalition's Tony Abbott.

That's cock will up. First, our

international pressure and other headlines. Iran bows to

agrees to inspections of its

uranium enrichment plants.

Health experts argue that

inmates should have access to

clean needles in Australian

prisons. And TV confessional -

US talk show host David

Letterman foils a blackmail

plot but admits to infidelity.

Australian aid is on its way to

the quake affected island of

Sumatra as tens of thousands of

survivors prepare to spend the

night without shelter. The two

earthquakes that hit Sumatra less than 24 hours apart have

left a trail of destruction. So

far there are more than 1,000

confirm deaths. Authorities

estimate the toll could reach several thousand. Geoff

Thompson reports. The quakes

may be over but there is still

danger in the streets of

Padang. People are too afraid

to go inside the buildings.

This is why. His family is

living in their car: I feel

quite comfortable here. I feel less comfortable when staying

inside the house. Like tens of thousands of others, they have

no fresh water or

electricity. TRANSLATION: We

are cold, bitten by mosquitoes

and wet because of the rain. We

feel sad about the children.

Multistorey structures like the

Hotel Ambacang have been turned

inside out. Up to 100 people

could be trapped beneath this,

most of them attending seminars

in the hotel at the time of the

quake. So far we have

evacuated 16 bodies, 14 were

dead and two survived, says

Police Captain Subiago. In

this street arc similar scene,

many buildings still upright,

but this three-storey tutoring

school certainly isn't. 80

students were in class on

Wednesday. My 13-year-old

daughter was in class, her name

was Intan. She was wearing

white and gold sequins. I've

been waiting three days and two

nights, but there has been no

news. Daylight reveals the

extent of the damage here and

elsewhere. These are the first

pictures of Pariaman, closest

to the epi centre of the

quake. Tonight, tens of

thousands of people in Padang

are without shelter and many

are unsure of the fate of

family members. Some are

hopeful of finding family

alive, but authorities are less

optimistic, they predict the

death toll could reach several

thousand. Australian aid is

arriving tonight with much

needed supplies. A team of

rescuers and engineers will

join the rescue effort, which

is hampered by power blackouts

and a lack of heavy lifting

equipment. Six Australians are

reason to believe they have unaccounted for but there is no

been killed Out highest

priority is to identify any Australians who have been

affected and get them all the

help and support they may

need. The Australian aid

effort will land in Sumatra tonight. Geoff Thompson joins

me from the city of Padang.

What will the Australians be

contributing to the aid

effort? They would be very

welcome here tonight at the

Hotel Ambacang behind me. There

was a great flurry of excite

when it was thought eight

people may have survived in a

room on the top floor. An SMS

was received by a family

member. All the excavators were

turned off and a Swiss sniffing

dog team went in to see what

they could do. Unfortunately,

they have not been able to find

anything at the moment. A

similar sort of search and

rescue team is on an Australian

flight, along with military

engineers and a medical team,

all of which would be welcome

at the moment. Let's hope they

can get some good news with the

people who might be trapped.

Give us an idea of the scale of

destruction in Padang and

beyond. Here in Padang it's

really a mixed scene of

destruction. A lot of buildings

have very severe cracks, some

have completely collapsed, and

that's where most of the dead

people are. Other areas seem

unaffected. We don't know the

extent of the damage in some

remote areas. There is a place

which is north on the coast,

north of Padang, and no one has

reached that place yet. They

can only do so with helicopters. That is the sort

of thing the Australian navy

Sea King helicopter which is

coming with HMAS Kanimbla

tomorrow, that is the sort of

thing they will be able to

assist with. What will be the

other main challenges over the

coming days? It's still highly

possible there are survivors in

the large buildings. There are

so many potential pockets of

air. It seemed from the outside

some entire rooms could be

intact in some places. Finding

those people alive is the most

urgent thing. The other key

challenge is getting to the

remote places where no one has

reached, and there are reports

- they have not been completely

established - of hundreds of

homes, if not thousands of

homes, collapsing in the more

remote places. Geoff Thompson,

thank you for bringing us up to

date. Rescue operations in

the Pacific have turned to grim

recovery efforts in the wake of Wednesday's devastating

tsunami. The death toll on

Samoa, American Samoa and Tonga

is over 150 and there are fears

for scores more people on

outlying islands. The last

injured Australian survivor

arrived at Richmond air base in

Sydney a short time ago. The

region hasn't settled down. A

strong afternoon tremendous

more off Tonga has shaken those

trying to get their lafs back

together. Inside Apia

hospital, people are battered,

bruise than add traumatised

beyond belief. School teacher

Claire Rowlands from sheet onin

Victoria lost her travelling

companion and best friend,

Ballarat woman Vivien Hodgins,

in the giant wave. Claire

tells me she's okay, but her

body is torn from head to toe.

She was too injured to be flown

out with the rest of the

Australian victims, including

Tasmanian horse trainer John

Blacker, whose wife Marie was

ripped from his arms and swept

away. For those circumstances

Australians this has been a

holiday of heart break. They

were flown to Brisbane and are

recovering in hospital. They

are obviously distressed, they

have been through a lot and

it's been an ordeal. New

Zealander Malcolm Lawrence met Vivien Hodgins the night before

she died: She was a lovely

vivacious person, so bubbly.

He can't get the image of the

wave out of his head. A boy

came running and yelled at us

to run, get out. We looked

around, and the tsunami, the

water was coming over the

reef. In the hospital, locals

cover their noses, it smells of

death in here. Australian

doctors are among those trying

to stop the spread of

disease. The injuries are

those that you tend to get with

a tsunami, which are cuts that

get infected, because the sand

gets into the wound, and unless

we get it out it gets

infected. Outside, the search

for bodies continues. Emergency

workers have given up hope of

finding any more survivors.

It wasn't a shock to see a dead

body, but probably the state of

the bodies is more shocking.

Officials fear whole towns have

been destroyed on outlying

islands and hundreds of people

remain missing. Aid is coming

in from Australia, New Zealand

and the United States. On

behalf of the American people,

I want to, once again, extend

my deepest condolences to the

people of American Samoa and

Samoa for the terrible loss of

life and the devastation that

took place after the recent

earthquake and tsunami. The

devastation on Tonga is only

just being made apparent. At

least nine people died there,

but authorities have had

difficulty getting to affected

areas. Dozens of aftershocks

have been rocking the region

since went's tsunami generating

quake. This afternoon the most

powerful yet, an offshore 6.3

magnitude quake, which rattled

the nerves of everyone in

Samma. This is the village of

Lalamanu. There were beach huts

here. This is the place where

most Australians died The body

of a 15 month old Australian

boy was pulled out just there.

Locals are using bug dozers and

their bare hand to pull out

more bodies. The smell is

putrid. Survivors are living

in makeshift hillside camps and

picking through the rubble for

anything usable. There is talk

all Samoan victims will be

buried in a mass grave.

Tonight, 13 members of the same

family are being buried

together in this grave. The

European Union says Iran will allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to visit its newly disclosed uranium

enrichment facility. Iran's

chief nuclear negotiator says

his country won't abandon its

right to nuclear power and he

wouldn't be drawn on Israel.

Can you reassure the Israeli

public that Iran has no

aggressive intention towards Israel? President Barack Obama

welcome the agreement on

inspections but said the US

wouldn't wait forever. We are

committed to serious and

meaningful engagement but we

are not interested in talking

for the sake of talking. The

American president was speaking

after the first public high

level meeting between

Washington and Tehran in years.

Back home, Malcolm Turnbull

has dismissed the dissident

Liberal MPs speaking out

against his approach to

emissions trading as anonymous smart-arses. The Opposition Leader's declaration yesterday

that he was prepared to risk

his leadership to negotiate

changes to the government's

scheme appropriated a new round

of whispering from Liberals

opposed to any deal. Mr

Turnbull is confident his

leadership is secure and

maintains that it would be

electoral poison to oppose the

government's plan outright.

By week's end, Malcolm Turnbull

was a man in need of a friendly

face. How are you going? Good

to see you, Malcolm Turnbull.

There are precious few to be

found on his own backbench.

Liberal MPs opposed to any deal

with the government on

emissions trading have been

gleefully backgrounding the

media on Malcolm Turnbull's

fails. Another claims the

Turnbull approach shows a lack

of judgment from a man with no

political nous. I don't place

any store on anonymous

smart-arses. If they don't have

the guts to put their name to

it, I'm not going to waste my

time worrying about what they

have said. It's not an assessment Malcolm Turnbull is

willing to repeat on camera.

That's a term one should never

use. I think smart Alec is

better for family programs.

He's not backing down from his

determination to negotiate with

the government, to come up with

an emissions trading scheme the

Coalition can support. The

approach I'm taking has the

full support of the shadow

cabinet and has, and will have,

I have no doubt, the support of

the party room. Wilson Tuckey

is one of the few Liberals

prepared to put his name to the

whispering campaign. I'm sure

someone else would run the

party better. He has emailed

his colleagues, urging them to

dump Mr Turnbull in favour of a

leader who op p poses anything

that looks like a tax on

carbon. Wilson always has

colourful things to say. My

leadership is secure. That is

at least in part because there

are no other options. The

shadow cabinet has endorsed Malcolm Turnbull's decision to negotiate with the government,

and Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott

agree with him both privately

and in public. Kevin Rudd

knows he needn't say anything.

My responsibility as Prime

Minister is to get on with the

business of government, on the

economy, jobs, hospitals and

education. What the Liberals do

on the leadership of their on the leadership of their

party is a matter for them.

The Liberals are doing enough

talking for everyone.

Joining me to discuss the week

in politician are the Finance

Minister Lindsay Tanner in our

Melbourne studio and Opposition

spokesman Tony Abbott with me

in Sydney. Welcome to both of

you. Let's begin with the manoeuvring around the

emissions trading scheme. Tony

Abbott, has Malcolm Turnbull

put his head in a noose, as one

of your close put it? No, I

think in a sense he has stated

the obvious, that we will be

constructive, we will talk to

the Government about amendments

that make a bad ETS substantially betterment we are

serious about the amendments

and they have to be

substantially accepted by the

Government. That's what constructive Oppositions do,

they try to improve imperfect

legislation. We heard one

in-formal survey of the backbench suggest that more

than two-thirds of Coalition

members oppose flegting over an

ETS. Given that, how is

Malcolm Turnbull going to win

sufficient support for the amendments? I don't think that

anyone could seriously maintain

that we shouldn't even talk to

the Government. There are some

people maintaining that. I

don't think that is a credible

position. I think, if you have

any sense of the importance of

the Parliament, if the

Government says, "Look, this is

an important topic, we know

it's a difficult one, we'd like

to talk," as long as the

Government is serious about

that - and we'll discover soon

enough whether they are - I

think we have to respond. What

is your message to these

backbench dissenters? We have

to take climate change

seriously. There are arguments

about the science, which is not

as settled as people say. But

you take prudent precautions

against significant risks, and

obviously we do want to

conserve scarce resources. We

don't want to play games with

the planet. We are taking this

issue seriously and we would

like to see an ETS which

excludes agriculture, which

protects Australian jobs, which

doesn't damage export

industries, which is at least

as supportive of our jobs and

our industries as the proposed

American ETS is of theirs. Malcolm Turnbull has put

himself out on a limb. What

guarantee does he have that the Government intends to negotiate

in good faith?. We have

indicated all along we are both committed to tackling climate

change seriously, we are very

keen to ensure we can go to the

Copenhagen conference with a

formal Australian position,

which means we have to get it

through the Senate. We will be

approaching any memorandums put

forward by the op with a

constructive frame of mind. So

far we haven't had any specific

proposals put to us, so it is impossible to negotiate with

thin air. Once we see

proposals, we will be in a

position to determine what our

view is. Will time el tell what

comes forward and how we

respond. All along we have been

committed to dealing with

climate change and making sure

Australia plays its part and

that we don't turn up to the international conference asking

everybody else what they are

going to do. We have to show

leadership because we are one

of the most poll Hewitting

countries on the planet and

don't want us to be used as an

alibi for them not doing

things. You have given this as

a major sticking point. Given

that Malcolm Turnbull has put

hips on a limb to negotiate the

legislation through the

Parliament, and you need his

support and the Coalition's

support, given that it would be

only a matter of a couple of

months delay, why can the

Government not negotiate around

the Copenhagen point? There's

a fundamental issue here, and

that is that we want to get an

outcome for the planet. We want

to ensure that Copenhagen

produces a result. If Australia

turns up without a position,

that under mines the prospect

and diminishers the chance that

we will get a strong outcome

for the world, for people to

tackle climate change. This is

not a negotiating point about

the content of the scheme. We

are happy to consider proposals

about the detail of the

emissions trading scheme put

forward by the Opposition on

their merits, we are happy to

do that, we have always

indicated that. What do you

think about their position on

Copenhagen? We think it would

be better to avoid finalising

the Australian scheme before we

know what the rest of the world

is doing. Because a dramatic

cut by Australia in the absence

of enforceable comparable cuts

by other countries could easily

be a destructive and futile

gesture. What the Opposition

has already said is, yes, we

are prepared to commit to a 5%

cut, regardless of what the

rest of the world does. We have put forward nine negotiating

points, which I think the

Government ought to be good

enough to accept in principle,

and the essence of the points

we have made is that

agriculture should be excluded

from our ETS, as it will be

from the American ETS, and in

terms of protection of local

jobs and protection of emission

intensive export industries,

our ETS should be pretty much

the same as the Americans. Why

should our coal industry be

treated worse by our ETS than

the American coal industry is

treated by its one? Is that

something around which the

Government would be prepared to

negotiate? Firstly, the American proposal is not

settled yet. We don't have

American legislation yet and we

don't know what the final shape

of it will be. These

comparisons are continually

made with the American and

other schemes. They are apples

with oranges comparisons,

because you are dealing with

different arrangements where

there are variations in detail

on a number of fronts. To

select one element and say that

is not the same as the American

scheme is misleading. We are

prepared to look at specifics

proposals to amend our scheme

and deal with them on their

merits. The proposal we have

put forward is built on the

assumption that there may not

be other countries taking

action, so there is a baseline

unilateral component of our

proposal, but also it expands

to take into account the

possibility, the hoped-for outcome internationally that

will mean we have global

action. It is designed to cope

with both scenarios, and it's

good to see that the Liberals

concede that a unilateral cut

is something we should do,

regardless. If I can pick you

up on needing to go into

Copenhagen on a position of

leadership, Australia is in the

same ballpark on per cap at the

emissions. Do you think the

major emitters, the US, China

and India, are thinking, let's

what wait to see what Canada, Luxembourg and Australia are

doing? I don't think it's that

simplistic. If you have

countries like Australia which,

unlike Luxembourg are members

of the G20, reasonably

significant internationally,

and there were two countries

that refused to ratify Kyoto,

the United States and

Australia. We have been climate

change hold-outs for quite some

time under the former

government, so there is a

general understanding about

Australia being a resistor

internationally until recently. The international situation is

very finely balanced on these

issues. If we turn up to

Copenhagen saying, we cannot

make up our mine as a nation,

we cannot get our act together,

that will undermine the chance

of agreement. Yes, it will not

be the only issue in play,

obviously, but if we want to

get an agreement that is good

for the planet and good for

ore, we have to play our part.

Turning up and saying it's all

too hard is hardly a

constructive and helpful

contribution. Lindsay is

saying the whole world' eyes

will be on Kevin Rudd, that

Rudd is more important than

Obama . That is what Lindsay is

trying to suggest. Not quite,

Tony. I don't think any

Australian will take him

seriously on this point. We

have prepared to be

constructive. If the Government

is prepared to substantially

accept our amendments, obviously we will play ball

with them, but they have to be

prepared to be genuinely

constructive in return. They

have to be prepared to say

that, yes, we have allowed the

Opposition to have substantial

input into this. They have to

be prepared to exempt

agriculture, as the American

ETS will, and they have to be

prepared to give our export

industries the same sort of protections. Malcolm Turnbull

has made his big picture

strategy clear as to why he is

going down this route. What is

the big picture strategy of the

backbench dissenters like

Wilson Tuckey? Do they think if

they go to an election, the

Opposition might win, then we

will have no ETS? I think you

should put those questions to

those people. As far as of the

leadership is concerned and the

shadow cabinet is concerned, we

take the issue of climate

change seriously. Even people

like myself, who don't think

that the science is quite as

settled as people like Lindsay

would maintain, I this still

think it is introducedant to

take reasonable precaution s against significant risks. We

take the issue seriously. We

did take an ooet as our policy

to the last election. We are

prepared to have an ETS, but it

has to be the right one, which

does not damage our jobs and industries. If Malcolm

Turnbull falls on his sword

over this, will be you a

candidate for the leadership?

I don't think anything like

that will happen. I think all

Malcolm was doing the other day

was stating the obvious. He

will take the party seriously,

the party will take the shadow

cabinet seriously, and if the

government is prepared to take

our amendments seriously, and

embrace them substantially, we

will have a scheme. Turning to

the economy, we have seen more

positive news. The might have

might have has upgraded its

growth forecast or Australia

and lowered its unemployment

forecast. The government

finances had a $5 billion

turnaround. Doesn't every bit

of positive news boost the Coalition's case that the

stimulus spending should be

reassessed? No, that's not the

case. They have consistently

under played the seriousness of the global financial crisis and

the glortion glors. We have

data today that that shows the overall fiscal circumstances

for the last financial year

were slightly better than

projected in May, $27 billion

instead of $32 billion. Joe

Hockey pointed out that tax

revenues for the financial year

were only 1.6% lower than the

previous financial year, so

what's everybody talking about?

The answer is that the average

rate of increase of tax

revenues was 8% per year. Him

saying it's only a 1.5% drop is

a bit like saying my 5-year-old

daughter is in good health

because she only had rank a

couple of centimetres this

year. Tax revenues grow with

the economy as a matter of course. The fact that they have

gone backwards in a period that

didn't include the entirety of the global financial crisis

shows we have a major problem.

It's great the news was

slightly better than expected,

but the notion that there never

was a problem , what's all the

fuss about, which the lirls are

promoting is an ab shouldity.

The results show the deficit is

not as a result of the

downturn, but entirely the

result of Labor's spending

spree? Entirely the result?

1% reduction in revenues is $20

million, which is where the

surplus was prior to the

spending spree. There was a

case for a significant package,

but the one the government

introduced was too much too

soon, in particular the Julia

Gillard memorial schools

program was right over the

topment yes, spend some money

on school infrastructure that

the states have neglect ed, but

there is no point building new

halls for schools that will

close, or schools with five

pupils, or knocking down four

good classrooms to put up four

good once and spending $2.5

million on it. If the

government doesn't get it right

on when stimulus spending needs

to be wound back, do we run the

risk interest rates will rise

sooner than otherwise? In the

Stephanie Kennedy this week the

Reserve Bank Governor indicated agreement with the government,

that there is not an interest

rate rise coming from the

stimulus package, so he

dismissed the criticisms of the

op on this front. We believe

the settings are right and what

has occurred has vindicated the

government's stance. There are

hundreds of thousands of people

and thousands of business that

he is still have jobs and are

still open as a result of the

government's action. Had we

taken less action, as the

Opposition suggest, we would be

in recession and a lot of

people who currently have

secure jobs wouldn't have them

and a lot of businesses that

are still open wouldn't be

open. Finally, politicians

have revealed their favourite

songs. Kevin Rudd's includes

Han del's me sigha, and Malcolm

Turnbull has me and Bobby

McGee, freedom is another word

for nothing left to lose.

What's your give rate song? I

put this on my website. My

number 1 is pink Floyd, shine

on you, crazy diamond. And very

close second is cold chisel's

Que San. I think illet you

have a turn playing a CD. I

can play Que San. Tony Abbott,

you are one for unexpected

comments. You are not about to

reveal a love of Brit nigh

speakers, are you? Sloop John

B by the beach boys is my all-time favourite. Don't ask

me to sing it. I try to sing it

at karaoke and normally I empty

the room. We will save that

for another Lateline occasion.

Thank you very much. Now for

our regular Friday night chat I'm joined by economics

correspondent Stephen Long.

The latest US employment

figures are out out tonight,

what are they showing? 263,000

jobs lost in September, which

was much more than expected.

The unemployment rate is up to

8.9%, it would be higher step

the participation rate has

fallen. The job losses are

across manufacturing, construction, goods production

and the service sector, retail.

It has hit the expectations

that were building up, that

America was actually starting

to move into recovery, coming

on top of weaker than expected

manufacturing numbers, and it's

snuffed out some of those green

shoots. This comes at the end

of a week when we saw

stockmarkets dive. Is this the

correction we had to have?

It's difficult to know exactly

when is the right time to use

that Keatingesque phrase. You

would have to think it might

be. We had a situation where

stock markets rallied 50% from

their lows in March, $15

trillion in value added to

equity markets. It wasn't

likely that that would be

sustained, there was always a

correction in the offing. We

avoided the great depraetion

mark 2, but the fundamentals

are shaky and we have a

situation where the doubts are

starting to creep in. There was

always going to be a

correction. The falls have

continued strongly on markets

tonight, on the back of the US

payroll numbers. How long it

will go on is anyone's guess,

but it looks like there is some

form of correction under way.

This comes when the Reserve

Bank and the Opposition and

others have been fairliotomies

tick there is a recovery under

way. There are signs of

recovery, but it is fragile,

and very much underpinned by

government money. That is what

you are seeing in the US. They

had the appearance of a big

boost when they had what's

known as the cash for clunkers

program, where people got rid

of old cars that Gusled gas and

bought new ones with government

incentives. Once that ran out,

you had a crash in car sales.

You didn't have the government

money tiding you over to a

sustainable recovery.

Ironically, one of causes of

the dip we have seen is Alan

Greenspan, who some said was

the architect of the crisis,

presided over the biggest speculative asset price bubble

in history, saying that he

thought 2010 could be a dull

face year, with pretty sluggish recovery in the US. What you

are seeing around the world is

that we don't know whether the

recovery will be sustainable

once the government fiscal

stimulus is withdrawn.

Australia is looking a bit

better on those fronts, hence

the Reserve Bank's optimism,

but at the moment it is all

looking fragile. I notice you

wearing the blue and yellow

tie- sheer coincidence? Not at

all, it was specifically

chosen. Go the Parramatta Eels,

in the Rugby League grand final

on Sunday. Being a complete

nerd, I have no idea what you

are talking about. The Australian Drugs Conference in

Melbourne today called for a trial of needle and syringe

programs in Australian

prisons. More than 350 of

Australia's drug and alcohol

treatment experts voted and

only one delegate opposed the

motion. 1 in 3 Australian

inmates has hepatitis C and it's thought a needle and syringe program could reduce

the incidence of blood-borne

vieres in jail. In 1985, harm

minimisation became a central

part of Australia's national

drugs strategy. Since then, needle and syringe programs

have helped reduce rates of HIV

and hepatitis C infection. The

Department of Health describes

the programs as one of the

major public health success stories. But the institutions

which have the highest rates of

hepatitis C are still denied

the programs. We have been

studying hepatitis C

transmission in prisons in

Australia for nine years. We

don't see any change. About 1

in 3 prisoners who inject drugs

gets hepatitis C in prison.

Outside, the rate of infection

is going down, but in prison

there has been no let-up. The

rate of hepatitis C in the

general community is about 1% ,

inside prison it's 30% for men

and 50% for women. Vicky Roach

got out of jail last year, this

week she delivered the keynote

address at the Australian Drugs

Conference There have been

multiple near fatal and other

critical overdoses in the last

month. Vicky Roach says

sharing needles in jail is

common. In my experience,

while I was inside, it was not

uncommon for the one needle to

be circulating the whole

prison. The vast majority of

the delegates survived at the

conference favoured needle and

syringe programs in prison. We

have tried to control drugs

from getting into jail, it has

failed. We have tried to

control the demand for drugs,

it's not 100% effective. We

therefore need to control the

damage from drug use, that

means we need a trial of needle

and syringe programs in the

prison system. The price

officers union is opposed to

the idea. It's an absurd

comment, when you consider

people go to jail because some

people have drug related

issues, and we are going to

keep feeding the habit and

giving them the utensils to do

it. We may as well not put them

in jail. This year the

Australian prisons system was

the closest it has been to trialling a needle and syringe

programs This year the ACT was

openly discussing and talking

about putting in a needle and

syringe program. We haven't

seen that come to fruition, I'm

not sure why, but it is an

excellent opportunity, were a

new prison. The ACT Government

says it won't consider a trial

until the new prison has been

operating for at least 18

months. Our task is to help

people get off drugs and stay

off drugs, soway want to see

how our program for doing that

will work, against the concept

of harm minimisisation. Prison

officers fear more needles

could mean more weapons used

against them. In disglr in 1990

a prison officer at Long Bay

was attacked with a sir in. He

was stabbed with a HIV filled

syringe and died some years

later in tragic circumstances.

It sticks very badly in all

officers' minds and it's

something that comes up quickly

when you talk about needle and

syringe programs in the

system. Needle and syringe

programs are operating in

prisons in 11 countries,

including air and. Kate Dolan

says they make prisons safer

for officers Nobody has been

attacked with a needle and

syringe program in any prison.

We are removing infected

syringes out of circulation and

petting them in a safe place,

so we are reducing needle stick

injury, which is a serious

occupational hazard for prison

officers Matt bingely concede

he hasn't looked into the

research. No, I haven't,

because of our stance on the

needle and syringe program.

Vicky Roach believes the prison

system will benefit from a

change in policy It will

protect the community from

blood-borne diseases becoming

rampant, as they do in prison,

and as most prisoners get out

eventually, those blood-borne

diseases come back into the

community. US talk show host

David Letterman has told his television audience he was the

victim of a $2 million

extortion attempt over his affairs with female staff

members. An employee of the

CBS documentary show '48 Hours'

has been arrested in connection

with the case. Letterman

confessed his

confessed his infidel ities to

an audience, saying he threaten

to write a book about his

affairs. There was a letter in

the package which says, "I know

that you do some terrible,

terrible things." And I can

prove that you do these

terrible things. Sure enough,

contained in the package was

stuff to prove that I do

terrible things. The creepy

stuff was that I have had sex

with women who work for me on

this show. Now, my response to

that is, yes, I have. The 62-year-old married his

long-time girl friend earlier

this year are they have a

6-year-old son. Letterman has

often used his stand-up

routines to target the

infidelities of politicians.

Now the weather:

That's all from us. If you

would like to look back at the

discussion Tony Abbott or

Lindsay Tanner or review any of

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Wednesday. Goodnight. Closed

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