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We went through hell and back in We went through hell and back in the first few days.

Tonight - the

first few days.

Tonight - the strain in cane. The foreign fungus dealing a crushing blow to the sugar industry.

The doze itself can cause a reduction in yield of up to 30%.

Will scientists be able to come up with a quick, practical solution?

It's not something you can pick off the shelf and say, "We've got a problem, let's plant this."

And battlers in arms - the horse that was heading nowhere until a cabbie took it under his wing.

I found out he had problems with his knees and had a bad action and I thought, "Oh, well, we might
get one or two runs out of him."

Three years on, near

out of him."

Three years on, they're nearly $2.5 million richer and the toast of Royal Ascot.

RACE CALL: Takeover Target in a photo.

This is a victory for the dreamer and race a victory for the dreamer and a victory for the dreamer
and racing is about dreams.

This program is captioned live.

Senate changes threaten democracy: Beazley

Senate changes threaten democracy: Beazley

Reporter: Michael Brissenden

KERRY O'BRIEN, PRESENTER: Is it reform or the end of democracy as we know it? The Government's
proposed changes to the Senate committee process has been branded evil by the Opposition Leader and
have been widely interpreted as just the latest manifestation of hubris delivered courtesy of the
Government's Senate majority. The Government says its decision to reduce the number of Senate
committees from 16 to 10 and to only allow Government senators to chair them is simply designed to
remove inefficiencies. Not surprisingly, Labor, the independents and the minor parties are all
crying foul and point to this as further proof that the Government is running from scrutiny - and
not just in the Senate. Political editor Michael Brissenden reports.

SENATOR RON BOSWELL, NATIONALS SENATE LEADER: Prime Minister, you just have control of the Senate.
Congratulations.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN, REPORTER: From this moment on, predictions of the collapse of democracy as we
know it have come thick and fast.

HARRY EVANS, CLERK OF THE SENATE: Well, if the Government does control the Senate, I think the
tendency will be to suppress any committee inquiries that are embarrassing or inconvenient to
government.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: That was Harry Evans, the Clerk of the Senate, back in October 2004. He doesn't
air his concerns or his criticisms so publicly anymore, but there's little doubt he still holds
them and after yesterday there's plenty of others who've started to react with equal alarm.

PETER ANDREN, INDEPENDENT: If you don't consult, if you tread with contempt, if you ride roughshod
over the processes, I mean the word 'dictatorship' comes to my mind - it certainly does - at least
a dictatorship by the executive of the parliamentary processes.

SENATOR ROBERT RAY, LABOR BACKBENCHER: I mean, I don't believe these committees will be more
effective. I don't believe there will be great savings to be made. I just don't believe that will
happen. But, what we don't want to see is the emasculation of the Senate as an institution.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: It's hardly a surprise, really. Despite John Howard's pledge to be modest and
humble with his Senate majority, it was only a matter of time before his Government moved against
the committee process. It's almost a return to the system that was in place under a Labor
government until 1994. The Government will reduce the number of Senate committees from 16 to 10.
Before '94, there were eight and all of the committees will now be chaired by Government senators.
Critics say it's an attack on democracy. The government calls it reform.

SENATOR NICK MINCHIN, GOVERNMENT SENATE LEADER: We think the Senate committee system is not really
working well at the moment. We have eight subject areas with two committees each, which creates
enormous overlap in inefficiency and we are stretching senators too thinly and having committees
meeting with only two or three people present. This is something of an experiment initiated in 1994
in special circumstances that isn't functioning properly now that the Coalition does have a
majority in the Senate.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: That may be the case, but there's no denying the Senate committee process in
its post-1994 form has been an uncomfortable one for this Government, from children overboard to
military justice and rregional rorts to name just a few.

SENATOR KERRY O'BRIEN, COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: That's $5 million to fund a steam train that doesn't go,
a creek that breached itself, a milk company that folded before the ink on the funding announcement
was dry, an ethanol company worth a dollar that's yet to produce a drop of fuel and a hotel funded
to run wacky Wednesdays and stump bikini babes while other communities on the Atherton Tablelands
cry out for drink of water. So, is it any wonder that we've been inquiring into this program? This
is a scandal.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Who could forget Angus Houston, then Air Force chief, explaining to the
committee inquiring into the children overboard affair of the moment he told the then defence
minister Peter Reith during the 2001 election campaign that the children hadn't in fact been thrown
off the ship.

AIR MARSHAL ANGUS HOUSTON, AIR FORCE CHIEF: Fundamentally, there was nothing to suggest that women
and children had been thrown into the water. After I had given him this run-down of what had
happened, there was silence for quite a while.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Clearly, the Senate committee process can be and has been an embarrassing one
for the government. But Senator Minchin says the change is not an attempt to nobble the power of
the committees.

NICK MINCHIN: There will still be the opportunity for Senators to pursue the Government, both
through normal inquiries, but also in Estimates. Estimates will occupy 25% of the Senate's time. We
are proposing that instead of 8 estimates committees, there will be 10, so something like an extra
120 hours of estimate committees every year as a result of our changes, so we are increasing the
accountability of the government through the estimates process in this reform, but the problem is,
I think, particularly the Labor Party and the minor parties simply don't accept the reality that
the people of Australia elected a majority of Coalition senators over the last two elections.
That's the reality. There are 39 Coalition Senators in a 76-seat Parliament.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: But why change it at all if it is not designed to protect you from inquiry?

NICK MINCHIN: Because we have a situation where there is a majority of Coalition senators,
references are being put up to the Senate that a majority of senators are not prepared to accept
for inquiry. So the references aren't being made. We have eight Labor chairmen of references
committees who are being paid to do nothing. There will actually be more references and inquiries
as a result of these changes. We are perfectly happy to accept proposals for inquiries on good
public policy issues that need inquiry.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: The outrage at the Government's move is not confined to the Senate. In the
House of Reps, independent Peter Andren says he has repeatedly been gagged trying to move
amendments to bills that impact on his constituents.

PETER ANDREN: Over the last fortnight it's the worse I've seen in 10 years, hence my anger. Tony
Abbott stood up yesterday and reluctantly gagged me, moving a motion to debate the lack of
democratic process in the House. I mean, how ironic was that? It's all about the executive
rubber-stamping their agenda to exclude anything that is vaguely contentious.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: And of course, the Labor Party has its criticisms as well. Last night Kim
Beazley labelled the changes to the committee process evil. Today, he said it was all part of a
pattern to deflect or dodge debate.

KIM BEAZLEY, OPPOSITION LEADER: At exactly what stage did the Prime Minister decide to reduce the
number of allowable matters? Did it happen to be at the stage he got majority control of the Senate
and at the same time he decided to remove the rights of young people to vote, remove disclosure of
large political donations, remove the rights of members to speak on and debate amendments to bills,
close down Senate committees and rort Hansard? Prime Minister, isn't this a systematic display of
arrogance and avoidance of scrutiny?

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: It is, however, almost easier to digest the arguments of the Independents on
this. After all, any Labor Government in the same strong position would likely try to use its
numbers in the same way. As the Prime Minister pointed out, accountability was hardly a priority
back in 1994 when Kim Beazley was leader of Government business in the House and Paul Keating was
less than eager to turn up for Question Time everyday.

JOHN HOWARD, PRIME MINISTER: Mr Beazley, in response - well, there are very few governments who
think it is necessary for the Prime Minister to turn up every day. What such arrogance, Mr Speaker!
I can assure the Leader of the Opposition that for so long as I'm Prime Minister of this country, I
will turn up every day, I will make myself accountable and I will go on answering double the number
of questions any of my predecessors, let alone Labor predecessors answer. This is the most
accountable executive since federation.

MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: Well, OK, Kim Beazley is hardly squeaky clean himself, but that is a big call.
The thing about reform like this, though, is that it can work both ways - the numbers will
eventually change and, as Labor's Robert Ray said today, whatever they do to us now, we'll do back
to them and if they think that's a threat - well, it is.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Yes, but they need the numbers in the Senate.

Disease blights sugar industry

Disease blights sugar industry

Reporter: Genevieve Hussey

KERRY O'BRIEN: Australian agriculture's vulnerability to disease has been highlighted again as
Queensland battles to contain an outbreak of the potentially devastating disease, sugarcane smut.
In an attempt to stop the disease spreading, 12 properties have now been quarantined in the
sugar-growing area around Childers in south-east Queensland. Scientists are now searching the cane
fields around Childers to determine just how far the disease has spread. With the cane crush about
to begin, this is a big blow to a troubled industry that's been looking forward to the highest
sugar prices for a decade. Genevieve Hussey reports.

JOHN RUSSO, CANEGROWER: The sugar industry is very resilient. We're always up for a challenge and
that's the life and nature of being a cane farmer.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: For John Russo, growing sugar cane is a way of life. His family runs some of
Australia's biggest cane plantations. They've been farming the area near Childers in south-east
Queensland for nearly 100 years. Last week, a check on the crop brought a horrifying discovery -
cane smut, a contagious fungus that spells disaster for cane growers.

JOHN RUSSO: Out of all of the east Queensland, all of the eastern seaboard of Australia, it had to
be found on our family farms first. So, yeah, we were devastated to hear the news. We went through
hell and back in the first few days.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Sugar cane smut is an infectious disease that if allowed to spread, could destroy
Australia's lucrative sugar cane industry. The fungus attacks the stalk of the cane, causing a drop
in sugar production, particularly in hot, dry conditions.

ROB MAGAREY, RESEARCH SCIENTIST: It can actually stunt the cane till it actually becomes more like
a grass rather than a large cane crop. So after even two or three crops, you can have virtually no
yield.

CHRIS ADRIAANSEN, QLD DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES: The disease itself can cause a reduction in
yield of up to 30 per cent. That's a very productive cane area in that Isis and Bundaberg mill
areas there, so yeah, the possible impost in terms of reduced production over the next couple of
years could be 10 or more millions of dollars there.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: John Russo's farm has now been quarantined. The cane is ready to harvest but
they're not allowed to cut it.

JOHN RUSSO: It is at a stand still. The crushing's been deferred a week and we've got a lot of
expensive machinery sitting idle.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: A disease control centre has been set up. Cane smut has now been found on 11
other properties. Its microscopic spores can be spread by the wind, they can also be carried into
uninfected areas on clothing, machinery and vehicles. Harvesting the cane and ploughing it in only
helps spread the disease.

ROB MAGAREY: It spreads very easily. It can spread both as wind-blown spores, so that there can be
showers of spores that spread right across the industry.

TREVOR WILCOX, QLD DEPARTMENT OF PRIMARY INDUSTRIES: Smut has moved across oceans in the past.
There's pretty good evidence that it moved from Africa to the Caribbean countries in the early
1970s. So it does move around.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Before this outbreak, the east coast of Australia was one of only a few
commercial sugar cane growing areas in the world not affected by cane smut. But it's not the first
time cane smut has struck Australia. Eight years ago, the cane industry around the Ord River in
Western Australia was so widely infected, eradication wasn't an option. The industry there has had
to live with cane smut. Queensland is the country's biggest sugar producer and its ultimate goal is
to eradicate this disease.

ROB MAGAREY: To eradicate it is a difficult issue because you have to try and contain those spores.
And the further afield we find it, it's going to be much more difficult to try and eradicate it.
That is our current strategy, though, is control leading to elimination.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Eleven of the twelve farms so far infected with cane smut are within a 15km
radius. The 12th property is further away but still connected by movement of plant material and
machinery.

TREVOR WILCOX: The spores do stain the soil for a period of time. So we'll have to be, you know,
continue inspection of those diseased farms for some years.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Australian agriculture's vulnerability to pest incursions was highlighted last
year when citrus canker destroyed the mandarin industry near Emerald in Central Queensland. In the
case of citrus canker, a bitter battle over compensation erupted, with some growers were left
unhappy over the level of support. The sugar industry says it has a compensation plan in place with
federal, state government and industry contributing.

IAN BALLANTYNE, QLD CANEGROWERS' ASSOCIATION: It will cover the cost of the searches that we're
doing now. It will cover the cost of removing that cane and destroying it - if that's what has to
happen - and we are looking at the cost then of the re-establishment of the crop.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: There have been projected losses of up to $800 million for the industry, but only
if smut were to spread throughout the entire Queensland crop.

ALWYN HEIDKE, BUNDABERG CANEGROWERS' ASSOCIATION: If we cannot control it, there's going to be big
losses to the sugar industry and especially now we've moved through to a good prices, we really
were going the make the best of it.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: In the long term, the answer to battling cane smut lies in growing cane varieties
that are resistant to the disease.

TIM MULHERIN, QLD PRIMARY INDUSTRIES MINISTER: To breed a variety of cane takes 10-15 years, so
it's not something you can pick off shelf and say, "We've got a problem, let's plant this."

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: Scientists are optimistic that Australia is close to that goal. The main problem
with resistant plants has been lower sugar yield.

ROB MAGAREY: Each year, we've been selecting better and better resistant varieties and using them
as parents. So it will only be a short period of time before our resistant canes are actually
high-yielding and some of the best that we have.

GENEVIEVE HUSSEY: While the science moves forward, John Russo is contemplating his farm's future.
He'd like to start harvesting his cane and hopes eventually, he'll be able to.

JOHN RUSSO: It's a huge blow. We've got through rust, through Fiji disease but this is probably the
daddy of them all. We cannot afford to delay any longer.

Royal Ascot witnesses fairytale Australian win

Royal Ascot witnesses fairytale Australian win

Reporter: Jonathan Harley

KERRY O'BRIEN: The world of horse racing has always thrived on the Cinderella stories - Seabiscuit
and Phar Lap being two classic examples. But perhaps the most remarkable current story for
Australians is that of a knockabout horse from Queanbeyan near Canberra called Takeover Target.
Three years ago, other horses showing his lack of racing form and unsound legs might have been
headed for the knackery. Takeover Target's owners instead sold him to a cabbie and part-time
trainer named Joe Janiak for just $1,300. The pair hasn't looked back. In fact, Takeover Target has
capped some notable Australian wins with an overnight triumph at Royal Ascot in front of the Queen
with more to come. Jonathan Harley reports on Takeover Target's remarkable race from rags to
riches.

JOE JANIAK, OWNER/TRAINER: When we first galloped him, we knew he had ability. I found out he had
problems with his knees and had a bad action and I thought, "Oh, well, we might get one or two runs
out of him."

JONATHAN HARLEY, REPORTER: When Joe Janiak bought Takeover Target for a bargain basement price of
$1,250 the three-year-old gelding was one step from the knacker's yard.

JOE JANIAK:I had half a dozen picked out at the sales and I found something wrong with the others
and I couldn't find too much wrong with this bloke, so we decided on him.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Now with more than $2 million of prize money later the taxi driver and the horse
that nobody wanted have charged all the way to Britain's Royal Ascot and humbled Europe's best
sprinters.

NEWS COVERAGE OF ASCOT RACES. ANNOUNCER: Welcome to Royal Ascot. Already we have a headline act.
Takeover Target, trained in Australia by a taxi driver called Joe Janiak, has won the King's Stand
Stakes.

RACE CALL: But it is Takeover Target being swamped now, Benbaum flashing home, Dandy Man the far
side. They hit it...Takeover Target in a photo.

RICHARD ZACHARIAH, RACING COLUMNIST: And he just runs them off their feet. They try to catch him,
the best horses in the world tried to catch him and they couldn't.

JOE JANIAK: I wasn't quite sure if we got there, I'm very relieved now.

REPORTER: When you heard he got the official verdict?

JOE JANIAK: A great result.

TONY HARTNELL, THOROUGHBRED BREEDER: Look, I've bred a lot of very good horses in Australia, Group
1 winners in Australia and I've sold them. If I had a regret of every good horse I sold I would
never sell a horse. I have to sell, don't I, to pay the wages?

NEWSREEL: Coming into the winner's enclosure now - your appreciation, please, for Takeover Target.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Tony Hartnell could be forgiven for having a few regrets today. The commercial
lawyer-cum-breeder sold Takeover Target to Joe Janiak three years ago. Why on earth did you sell
this horse?

TONY HARTNELL: I breed about 20 horses a year. You'd need the state of NSW if I kept them all. I'd
have hundreds, if not thousands. I have to sell some. This particular horse was costing thousands
and thousands of dollars in vet's fees and there was a real indication it may not make it.

JONATHAN HARLEY: The problem was Takeover Target's knees, or so it seemed. Joe Janiak was at first
oblivious to the problem, only to eventually discover it was the horse's feet which needed soothing
- along with his temperament.

JOE JANIAK: He put me in hospital once, but --

JONATHAN HARLEY: What happened?

JOE JANIAK: He just reared up and struck me and I got 30 stitches in me head, yeah. He was just
sort of temperamental. He wouldn't stand still like he does now. We patiently got around him and
he's a different horse these days.

JONATHAN HARLEY: In fact, so different that Takeover Target sprinted his way to wins at small meets
from Queanbeyan to Wagga Wagga before cleaning up in the big smoke.

RACE CALL: Takeover Target in front, God's Own, Cape of Good Hope after him. Takeover Target,
Takeover Target a half neck to God's Own...

JONATHAN HARLEY: After winning the Lightning Handicap and Newmarket Handicap, the one-time nag,
saved from the knackery, was turning heads and was heading for Royal Ascot.

RICHARD ZACHARIAH: The Takeover Target and knew about the story and knew it would be a fantastic
fable if he could actually succeed in England, offered Janiak a price to go over there and perhaps
it's about 80 per cent of the fee. So he grabbed it.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Racing columnist Richard Zachariah said trainers everywhere will seize on Takeover
Target's win for inspiration.

RICHARD ZACHARIAH: Well, it keeps the dream alive. This is a victory for the dreamer and racing is
about dreams. It's about going to the horse sales and backing your judgment and finding the money
to buy a horse.

JONATHAN HARLEY: And now with a high-profile win on the world stage, Takeover Target will likely
drive Australian breeding prices even higher for no-one more so than Tony Hartnell.

TONY HARTNELL: I do have the mother and I do have the sisters and I do have a younger brother,
which I'm preparing to race. So, I've got the family coming right behind him.

JONATHAN HARLEY: So what does this win mean for their values?

TONY HARTNELL: Oh, hopefully it increases a huge amount. (Laughs).

JONATHAN HARLEY: But how far can Takeover Target go? On Saturday, the gelding will step up for the
follow in the hoof prints of the first Australian horse to win at Royal Ascot and went on to clinch
both races. Beyond Britain lies a string of international races, which will decide if this fairy
tale story turns into that of an all-time legend.

RICHARD ZACHARIAH: He's a very good sprinter. How good he is? Well, he goes on to Japan and then he
goes to Hong Kong. Now, if he wins in all of those three places or those two places, he wins
another million dollar bonus for being the world's best horse and he's going to be right up there
with our greatest sprinters of all time.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Either way, Joe Janiak can now say goodbye to the caravan he's been living in for
the last 12 years, though he's not so sure if his newfound success means the end of driving taxis.
How much taxi driving have you done?

JOE JANIAK: I haven't done any for a while now but I just renewed my licence before I came back
over here. You never know, I could have to revert back to it one day.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Why, have you doubts in the back of your mind?

JOE JANIAK: With horses you never know. I don't think I'll get another good one like this one.

JONATHAN HARLEY: If only the horse could understand what a great story he is. Jonathan Harley with
that report.

Australia considers intergenerational nursing homes

Australia considers intergenerational nursing homes

Reporter: Jocelyn Nettlefold

KERRY O'BRIEN: It used to be the social norm - children playing with their grandparents and
learning from their elders. But the size and mobility of the modern family means that many children
aren't in regular contact with anyone older than their parents, while many elderly people sit
isolated in nursing homes craving contact. Overseas, the trend in modern care is to put the
generations together. Research from the US shows these intergenerational programs benefit both
young and old. Now, an Australian nursing home has taken the plunge and next week international
experts will meet in Melbourne to explore whether Australia would be better off by linking the age
groups together more often. Jocelyn Nettlefold reports.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD, REPORTER: Isabella and Zoe Shackcloth are too young for school. Instead, they
are packing their bags for a day in child care. The sisters look forward to playing at their
early-learning centre in southern Tasmania a few times a week. They are always eager to catch up
with their friends, including some of their new playmates, who are at least six decades older and
not as flash dancing on one leg as they might have once been. Mixing the old and young here is more
than a feel-good visit. The programs are at the forefront of a global trend in modern care to bring
generations together. The Anglican Church has built the childcare centre on the site of a nursing
home. It's run by St Michael's Collegiate School. Principal Robyn Kronenberg says regular contact
with aged residents gives the preschoolers an important and increasingly rare chance to relate to
older people.

ROBYN KRONENBERG, PRINCIPAL, ST MICHAEL'S COLLEGIATE: If you go back to the extended family when I
was growing up, grandparents and older Australians and uncles were a part of that socialisation and
we are losing that because of the nature of our family units and the fact that we're more mobile.

DONNA BUTTS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, GENERATIONS UNITED: One thing we know is that older adults who are
suffering from dementia, that they are actually more cognitively aware when there are children
around. With children, what some of the studies are starting to show is that they don't have the
same fear of ageing, or the same sort of, "Old people, they smell."

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: This positive research from the United States encouraged the operator OneCare
to be part of the intergenerational program. Having child care on site was instantly popular with
staff juggling family commitments, yet some of the ageing residents have taken a little bit of time
getting used to mixing with the children.

MICHAEL POWELL, CHIEF EXECUTIVE, ONECARE: Young ones are a bit noisy sometimes and I hear our
residents saying, "Oh, it was a bit noisy over there as I sitting in helping them read or
whatever". But I think that is great because it really does introduce them to those experiences
that they perhaps wouldn't get living in our nursing home.

FAY STRINGER: It takes you back to when our kids were that size and our grandkids were that size.

BERNADETTE BEZZINA: Makes you feel nostalgic.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: For the visiting neighbours the regular sing-alongs, or reading workshops are a
lively addition to everyone's weekly routine.

BERNADETTE BEZZINA: The bigger ones are a bit timid.

BERNADETTE BEZZINA: Often the children will slip across to the nursing home where ballet classes
attract an appreciative audience.

DONNA BUTTS: If you visit a senior-only facility or community, what you are likely to hear are
people talk about what hurts today, what medication they're on and who died and you don't see that
when they're involved in intergenerational programming. What they talk about are the children.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: Donna Butts is the executive director of Generations United, one of the leading
proponents of intergenerational care in the United States.

Faced with increasing isolation of elderly people back in the 1960s, American authorities set up
formal programs for aged citizens to mix with children in schools, communities and churches.

ELDERLY LADY: Peps you up, you know.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: In Fairfax, Virginia, kindergarten students their share school work with
residents at Sunrise Senior Living every Tuesday.

ELDERLY LADY #2: I'm 90 years old and I don't see children very often and we are very pleased that
they come over and help us.

ELDERLY LADY #3: And they're ready to go all the time. They are terrific.

REPORTER: What do you think about the older people?

CHILD: A little embarrassing sometimes, but sometimes it's great.

LITTLE BOY: It's fun to share the stuff with everybody because they get to hear what you write. I
miss doing those things that I like.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: Combining intergenerational care at the same institution, including day care
for children and adults is becoming more popular in the United States with increasing private and
government support.

DONNA BUTTS: With the intergenerational shared sites or shared care, what is really wonderful are
some of the models where they are starting to put senior centres in public schools in some
communities. Mini communities say in Arizona, for example, aren't building any new facility unless
it's a community centre where there is a place for older adults, for children and teenagers after
school so it makes a lot of sense.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: In Tasmania, the fledgling intergenerational scheme has to go through staffing
and security checks before the groups got together. Parents Kylie Baxter and Glen Shackcloth are
delighted with their daughter's experience.

GLEN SHACKCLOTH: It's a part of society that's diminishing, the interaction between children,
especially our senior members, and we feel it's important for our kids to interact and mix with
people of all ages.

JOCELYN NETTLEFOLD: And their new friends believe it's also a chance for children to learn a bit
about growing up and the reality of growing old.

BERNADETTE BEZZINA: To realise that that's what happens, you know. That's part of life.

PHYLLIS MORRIS: I think they are a bit too young to realise that.

BERNADETTE BEZZINA: But they are not going to stay little. They are going to get older and they
will start to realise. They've got to make room for everybody.

FAY STRINGER: But it's too late to do anything about it, though.

Jocelyn Nettlefold reporting there.

good, everybody. Great job.

APPLAUSE.

And that's the program for tonight. We'll be back at the same time tomorrow but, for now,
goodnight.