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The daughter of the president of the Church of Scientology in Australia has spoken out against the
organisation, describing it as toxic and accusing the church of tearing some families apart.


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: The daughter of the president of the Church of Scientology in Australia is
speaking out for the first time about past treatment of children within the church.

In an exclusive interview with Lateline, Scarlett Hanna has described Scientology as a toxic
organisation and says that many of those who've grown up in the church are damaged.

Scarlett Hanna talks of children being deprived of contact with parents and communal living
conditions where 25 children lived in one unit.

Steve Cannane reports.

STEVE CANNANE, REPORTER: Scarlett Hanna was born into Scientology's elite. Her mother, Vicki
Dunstan, is the president of the church in Australia. Her father, Mark Hanna, is a former director
of public affairs.

As members of the Sea Org - Scientology's elite unit - they signed billion-year contracts
dedicating themselves to the cause.

But according to Scarlett Hanna, this kind of dedication came at a cost to the children of the Sea
Org, who grew up in what was known as the Cadet Org.

SCARLETT HANNA, FORMER SCIENTOLOGIST: The best way I can describe it is cattle. We were property of
the organisation. Although they would like to say that we weren't, we were.

STEVE CANNANE: Children of Sea Org members rarely had contact with their parents. Scarlett Hanna
says they lived in separate homes and were granted only 20 minutes each night with their parents.

SCARLETT HANNA: I can't describe it. It was just an incredibly lonely childhood. I had no-one to
talk to or to look after to me or to ask me how I was after school or, you know, any of those
things that most of us take for granted.

STEVE CANNANE: The Cadet Org was eventually disbanded around eight years ago after Sea Org members
were banned from having children.

Until then, Cadet Org members lived in townhouses like this one.

SCARLETT HANNA: It' probably one of the most overcrowded birthings that we lived in. There were
probably up to about 25 kids in this particular unit.

STEVE CANNANE: Being looked after by one nanny?

SCARLETT HANNA: One nanny, that's right.

SHEILA HUBER, FMR SCIENTOLOGIST: What about children? Do you ever see them? Oh, that's right: L.
Ron Hubbard didn't believe parents were good for children.

STEVE CANNANE: Sheila Huber is a former executive establishment officer at the Church of
Scientology in Los Angeles. At the age of 16, she signed up to the Sea Org. One of her first jobs
was as a nanny.

SHEILA HUBER: I couldn't believe it. It was wall-to-wall cribs. There were just under 30 children
and they were under my sole care. I had no training.

I had never really spent much time babysitting young ones like that and they were all under the age
of three-years-old.

STEVE CANNANE: Sheila Huber says around 30 infants were crammed into a one bedroom apartment

SHEILA HUBER: They never got outside. Actually, they got out once - in eight months, they got out
once. And that was - that took three months to get that approved.

Sorry, it's hard. We took them in a van, the children, and took them to the park and they spent so
much time in their cribs, day after day, night after night, that they wouldn't go in any space
larger than the size of their cribs.

They were terrified. They were terrified of sunlight.

STEVE CANNANE: Scarlett Hanna says children growing up in the Cadet Org in Australia did not
receive adequate food or medical care.

She says Community Services visited on two occasions, but were deceived by the church.

SCARLETT HANNA: The furniture was dismantled by a division within the Sea Organisation that deals
with labour and the kids were sent out for the day to as appear that they were living according to
crowding laws.

STEVE CANNANE: Sarah McLintock, a member of the Church of Scientology, rejects every single
allegation made by Scarlett Hanna.

SARAH MCLINTOCK, SCIENTOLOGIST: What I experienced with Scarlett is she was a very good friend of
mine. I grew up with her. And what she is saying, I did not experience, so I don't know where she's
coming from with such things.

It really doesn't make any sense to me because I grew up with her. I was there with her and I think
people are giving her things to say, personally.

STEVE CANNANE: For Scarlett Hanna, the worst part of her time in the Cadet Org was the enforced
separation from her parents.

Her father, Mark Hanna, was twice sent to the US to the RPF, Scientology's rehabilitation program.

According to Scarlett, her father's crime was failing to prevent a negative story about Scientology
from appearing on TV.

SCARLETT HANNA: He was gone for several years, probably about two or three years.

STEVE CANNANE: What impact did that have on you, to lose your father like that for two to three
years and not knowing when he would be back?

SCARLETT HANNA: Well at the time I had - I was living in a separate house to my mother. I wasn't
seeing my mother at all at family time.

She would wake me up at midnight and walk me down to her house so I could sleep with her. I lost my
father. I had no-one to talk to.

It was very humiliating because the RPF was a place where the bad guys went, you know. If your
father went to the RPF, he was seen as a criminal.

STEVE CANNANE: Do you consider taking someone's parent away for a couple of years and putting them
into a rehabilitation unit in another country to be a form of abuse?

VIRGINIA STEWART, SCIENTOLOGY SPOKESWOMAN: Well, I think, again, that's their personal family

STEVE CANNANE: Is it a form of abuse to do it?

VIRGINIA STEWART: Well, I don't know what to say to that, I'm sorry. Because ...

STEVE CANNANE: Well, it's an organisation that you're speaking for here.


STEVE CANNANE: And it's an organisation who has routinely done that to parents and their children.
Is it a form of abuse?

VIRGINIA STEWART: Well, I don't actually agree that it's been routinely done and I think in that
instance, in that family, you would have to speak to those - to the father and the mother as to why
they lived like that, why they chose to take that action.

STEVE CANNANE: But based on her experiences in the US, Sheila Huber says there's little choice

SHEILA HUBER: I get surrounded by eight grown men, grown Sea Org members - eight grown men in a
circle around me, telling me I am now going to the RPF. ... I can really relate to Scarlett's
story, and this is something that to this day I still have nightmares about this.

And we're talking - I was on the RPF in 1986. I still have nightmares because I felt I deserted my
son. ... My son, who I had full legal custody of was illegally taken from me and given to my
ex-husband because he was a Sea Org member in good standing.

STEVE CANNANE: Sheila Huber was separated from her five-year-old son for a year. She was sent to
the RPF for having sex with someone she wasn't married to. She was unmarried at the time.

At the age of 13, Scarlett Hanna was kicked out of the Cadet Org and sent to live with adults from
the Sea Org in this home in inner Sydney.

SCARLETT HANNA: Basically, I was living unsupervised from, you know, nine in the morning till 12 at
night, to midnight. I was - at the time, I was going to a very rough school, probably one of the
roughest schools in Sydney.

I was being bullied and bashed and so I just stopped attending school. My parents didn't know a
thing about it at the time. I started hanging out in parks because I was so socially isolated and
this led me to being raped by a convicted murderer and running away.

STEVE CANNANE: Despite her experiences, Scarlett doesn't blame her parents.

SCARLETT HANNA: I think they're part of the organisation, they were part of the machine. I think
the church had some very toxic ways of managing its staff and their children and I definitely blame
the church as an organisation, not my parents at all.

STEVE CANNANE: Scarlett Hanna has been under immense pressure not to tell her story. Her father has
even threatened to sue her.

Scarlett Hanna decided to speak out after seeing the Four Corners program on Scientology earlier
this year.

SCARLETT HANNA: I just think that the church needs to take some accountability for, you know, what
it was involved in. Maybe apologise to some of these people that have had such traumatising

STEVE CANNANE: Scarlett Hanna's parents declined to be interviewed for this story.

Steve Cannane, Lateline.

LEIGH SALES: And tomorrow night on Lateline, allegations that a senior figure in the Church of
Scientology coached an 11-year-old sexual abuse victim about the evidence she should give to