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(generated from captions) Tonight - aged care services

get an overhaul. More people

will get to keep their home and

more people will get to stay in

their home. But the Opposition

says the new system will

cost. More means testing means

more people pay more. This

Program is Captioned Live. Good evening. Welcome to

Neurology in the classroom. Lateline. I'm Emma Alberici.

How science is teaching

teachers how to stimulate young

brains. We speak to one of

brains. We speak to one of the

world's leading experts on

early education. Kids using

their imagination and playing

with blocks, collaboratively with another classmate, that

turns out to be one of the

greatest things. We have to

start - it's sad, but there's a

whole study about how to get

kids to play, how to teach

play, and when you and I were

play, and when you and I were

kidded no-one had to teach us

to play. Since it's pulled out

it needs to be reinstated and

some people need instruction. Our interview with

El celebrated neuroscientist and teacher Dr Judy Willis

shortly. Tonight's guest

tweeter is the freelance writer and commentator Clementine

Ford. Join the conversation at

the Lateline hashtag. First

For Murdoch. our other headlines. Dial M

For Murdoch. The new book

claiming News Corporation is a

toxic institution. We discuss

the latest revelations with the

author Labour MP Tom Watson. Is

he French toast? Polls predict

that France's President Nicolas

Sarkozy is headed for defeat.

And the Power of song. The philosophy of

Henry Rollins. The Prime philosophy of American musician

Minister Julia Gillard has

unveiled what's claimed to be

the biggest overhaul of aged

care services in three decades.

Winning applause from providers

and workers in the sector.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott

is pointing out that many will

pay more as a result of the

reforms as the Government redesign a system that must

cope with a growing population

of older Australians.

Political correspondent Tom

Iggulden reports

Iggulden reports from

Canberra. They were the

generation that gave us

everything from Rock n Roll...

To the moon landing. One

giant leap for mankind. Now

they're in need of something in

return. The baby boomers who

will clearly want more options

and choices than older

Australians have sought in the

past. Now on the edge of

invented retirement, the ones who

invented one fitness craze after another are expected to

live longer than ever, swaying

the Government to reform aged

care for the first time in 30

years. Transforming a system

that was built in the 1980s

around nursing homes. Places in

homes are already so tight the

Government says some provide

remembers demanding bonds of

more than $2.5 billion million.

Perhaps most disturbing of

all, 40% of older

all, 40% of older Australians

are forced into emergency fire

sales of their homes in order

to raise the money to pay for

care. A new regulator will

oversee bonds and fees charged

to customers, while Government

looks to reduce demand for

places by boosting home care

services from 60,000 to 100,000.

100,000. More people will get

to keep their home and more

people will get to stay in their

their home. And appropriately

for the generation that dreamt

up the internet, a new website

will allow comparisons between

nursing home providers. Their

services, amenities, their

staffing levels, their fees and charges, their history of

complaints if they have any,

and for the first time, a

ratings system The Government

will pump 270 million into

extra care for dementia

sufferers. There are financial

sufferers. There are financial

incentives for providers to

build or upgrade facilities,

and a likely pay rise for

workers who staff them. It is

a deal that's given unions and

operators most of what they wanted since presenting a

united case for reform to the

Government three years ago.

That money is going to improve

the quality of services with a

particular focus on

disadvantaged groups. With just

half a billion dollars in new

spending, the 3. 7 billion

reforms will be paid for by spending, the 3. 7 billion

major changes to how the system

is set up This recognises the

simple reality that those who

can support themselves and

contribute a bit more we must

look after the needs of those

who can't. In other words,

means testing will determine

how much people pay for their

own care. But there are

important limitations. A

25,000 dollar a year cap on

25,000 dollar a year cap on

patient contributions and a

$60,000 lifetime cap. The

family home won't be included

in the means test and those on

the full pension will pay

nothing. Tony Abbott says he

supports some change. I

accept that the system is under

strain. I absolutely accept

that. But quickly points out

flaws in the new system. More

means testing means more people

pay more. More user pays means

more people pay more. Let's

expect all of the shrill

negatively today because Tony

Abbott has got no other speed

when he's in front of media.

When it is in the Parliament we

would expect Tony Abbott to

honour his words. Mr Abbott

had a policy announce many of

his own today, a one stop shop

for environmental approval to

be run by the States. Ever

since I was old enough to understand the term I've

understand the term I've

regarded myself as a

conservationist. The terms

conservative and conservation

have a common root. Nonconservative

conservationists have their

doubts about the plan Ripping

the Federal environment laws

away and giving them to the

States for approval would have

meant, for example, that

Tasmania would have approved

the Franklin Dam, the

Queensland Government would

Great Barrier allowed royal drilling on the

Great Barrier Reef. Another topsy-turvy day in politics

with Labor trying to appeal to

volder voters who usually go conservative and the

conservative trying to paint

themselves green. Hollywood

film studios have suffered a

major blow in their ongoing

battle against move vie piracy. The High Court today

ruled the internet service

provider iiNet had no direct technical power to stop jit customers from

customers from illegally downloading pirated fiments and

TV shows. The legal action

was taken by 34 film and TV

companies including Warner

Brothers, Paramount and Fox.

It has international

significance as it is the first

copyright case of its kind to

proceed to trial. Steve

Cannane reports. Hollywood will

have to find a new battle

ground for its ongoing war on ground for its ongoing war on

movie piracy. After over three

years in the courts, and

millions spent in legal fees,

the big film stewed yeast have

failed to pin responsible for

illegal downloading on the

companies who sell high-speed

internet to the movie pirates.

We're delightedty end of the

day the High Court agreed with

that position that the act as

it stands done put a positive

obligation on us to interfere

with what our customers are

doing online. The movie studios believe studios believe the law has

failed them. The High Court

has unanimously given a

judgment that the only fix is a

legislative fix. It would seem

apparent that the current

Australian copyright act is

incapable of protecting content

once it hit the internet on

peer to peer networks. The Government can expect some

intense lobbying from the big

American studios to change the

law. As this 2010 US

diplomatic cable obtained by

Wikileaks shows, Hollywood was

hoping this court case would

set a worldwide precedent.

Josh Taylor, a journalist who

has been covering the trial,

believes that lobbying will

lead to a change in the law.

If a rights holder said to the ISP this customer infringed

there would be a set of rules

government had this is the

procedure that has to follow in

order to deal with that.

That's I think the way that it

is going to end up. The

Attorney-General was

unavailable for comment. In a

statement a spokesperson said: cleerds

If the Government does act,

they will be hoping to avoid

the kind of backlash that saw

two recent anti-piracy bills

postponed in the US. Steve

Cannane, Lateline. British

police have arrested three

people as part of their ongoing

investigation into the phone

hacking scandal. 'The Sun's' royal correspondent, Duncan

Larcombe, is reportedly among

those arrested on suspicion of illegally paying public

officials. Police say the

arrests were prompted by

information provided by News Corporation's Management

Standards Committee. A total

of 26 people have now been

arrested and police are

expected to soon begin laying

charges. Next weakness

corporation chairman Rupert Murdoch and his Murdoch and his son, James,

will appear before the Leveson

judicial inquiry to answer

questions about the conduct of News International

newspapers. It is also emerged

lawyers in the United States

are now investigating 10

complaints against news

corporation most relate to

phone hacking in the US but

also extent to other news cops

including Fox News. At the end

of the month, the Commons

culture media and sports committee in Britain will

release its long awaited report

on whether the Parliament was

mislead by the Murdochs and its

British executives. One of the

members of that committee is

the deputy chair of the British

Labour Party, Tom Watson, who

is the coauthor after you new

book Dial M For Murdoch. News Corporation and the corruption

of Britain. I spoke to him a

short time ago from London. Tom

Watson, welcome to

Watson, welcome to Lateline. Good evening. You

managed to interview Neville

Thurlbeck for your book,

someone who was in fact the chief reporter at the 'News of

the World' and someone who

hasn't done too many interviews

of course. He told you that

private investigators were

employed to dig up dirt, if you

like, on yourself and other

members of the Culture Media

and Sports Committee that was investigating News investigating News Corporation,

News International. Did that

compromise the committee in any

way? Look, what we try and do

with the book is join the dots

and what Neville Thurlbeck told

us was an important corner

piece. He said the edict came

down from the editor to find

out everything you can on

members of the committee. He

said they put six people on it

for 10 days, all took two MPs each and they were even each and they were even told to

find out which ones were gay,

which ones were having affairs,

which is a staggering claim.

On top of that, we also now

know that they'd hired a

private investigator who put me

under covert surveillance. I

couldn't find out whether any

other committee member had had

that level of intrusion. We've

also got a quote from a

political opponent of mine who

was a very thorough investigator investigator on the committee,

stood down at the last

election, Adam Price, who

claims he was told that by

senior member of the committee

that the company would exact

retribution if our inquiry went

too deep. I think it is now

very clear that they executed a

strategy to bully and

intimidate the committee and if

that failed, then they wanted

to smear members of the committee

committee to undermine their

credibility. It goes on -

Neville Thurlbeck went on to

say even his news editor

realised that this was a

horrible thing to do and there

appears to be a - they decided

to reject that strategy after

10 days. There was certainly

the intent there and I can tell

you from personal experience,

it was a very intimidating time

during 2009, particularly

August 2009, when we were

beginning to be more bold with

our questioning and to ask for

more detail and going into a

level of depth that the company

were irritated by. Then of

course we began to invite the

Chief Executive of the company,

Rebekah Brooks, who rejected

our invitation on three

occasions, at one point saying

it was pointless that she

turned up. I understand that

the committee actually did not

- decided in the end not to

compel her to attend. Then in

the end, the one thing I can't

say, the internal discussions

of the committee have to remain

confidential, but the committee

then decided not to invite

Rebekah Brooks, which was

probably a shock to everyone

because certainly to the

outside world a number of

members of the committee said

they thought it was a good idea. I

idea. I think it is very clear

now that the individual fears

that committee members felt led

to them basically losing the

will to do that. Obviously,

with hindsight now, now knowing

what went on in the company, it

would have been absolutely

appropriate back then for us to

have the Chief Executive of the

company, most senior person in

the UK, come and answer for the

policy they were pursuing. We

ducked that frankly that's

ducked that frankly that's a

failure of Parliament. One of

the most disturbing elements of the 'News of the World' scandal

is what it told us about the

relationship between

journalists and police in

Britain. In fact, your book

tells us that the director of

public prosecutions was

socialising with executives

from News International even as

the scale of criminality was

revealing itself. Yes. revealing itself. Yes. That's

what's very worrying. We used

very detailed Freedom of

Information requests to build

up a kind of diary of social

engagements for key executives

at the company and who they

were meeting in the police. I

have to say obviously it is not

illegal for people to go to

dinner and to socialise and

take hospitality off members of

the media organisations, but it was the

was the scale and the timing

and the frequency of contact

that I thought was shocking and

there was a particular moment

where the then Director of

Public Prosecutions, Lord

McDonald, had been invited as a

guest of the Les Hinton, former

Chief Executive of the company

in 2006 to attend the editors's

conference and then he was

regularly invited to events and

small gathering events with

Rupert Murdoch or Rebekah

Brooks over a number of years.

It just struck me that that was

inappropriate and people don't

know about it and we thought it

warranted exposure in the

book. What others might also

deem inappropriate, Andy

Heyman, one of the policemen in

the early days of the phone

hacking revelations back in

2006-7, saying there were only

"a few cases". We Shuja Nawaz

there meeting something in the

order of thousands, 6,000 or thereabouts. He said there

were just a very few cases. He

left the police force and went

on to become a columnist for

'The Times' newspaper. Yes.

The curious thing about Andy

Heyman and again very to say

there was no suggestion of any illegal activity, but at illegal activity, but at a

critical point in the

investigation in 2006, Andy

Heyman, we discovered, was a

guest for a dinner with news

international people at the

solo house private members club

in Central London, an exclusive

club, it is not a cheap place

to eat or drink, I have been

there myself, and the level of

contact he had is particularly worrying, not least pause

shortly afterwards he retired

earlier from the Metropolitan

Police and became a highly paid

columnist on 'The Times'

newspaper. Then when

Parliament published its report

in 2010, he wrote a column

saying there was no - that

basically undermining

Parliament's conclusion and

defending the original inquiry, defending the original inquiry,

the 100%, I think he has

questions to answer about his

behaviour. Are you personally

frustrated that after so many

arrests around 30 or so, that

no-one has yet been charged and

no-one is yet on trial, despite

the fact that some of these

allegations relate to activity

that dates back more than a

decade? I'm not because I decade? I'm not because I

think what is going on - I

mean, we need to let the course

of justice play out now. I

think the head of the inquiry,

Sue Akers, is a very

accomplished police leader and

has conducted a thorough

investigation and will leave no

stone unturned and the reason

it's taken so long is it is

only in recent months the

company have begun to cooperate

more fully and they've given an

avalanche of data to Metropolitan Police to sift

through. I think it just takes

time. I'm sure that when we're

not far away from the her bit

of the inquiry finishing and the chronprosecution services

role will take over. They were

handed some files a couple of

days ago that they're now

reviewing. I think well be hearing more from them in

months to come. News Corporation was a toxic

institution you say that operated like a shadow state in

British society. You've

previously likened James

Murdoch to a mafia boss.

Taking on the Murdochs use be

to be the path of professional

suicide. What is it that

drives to you continue what

some might describe and have done as

done as a crusade? Yes. I

don't see it in that way. You

know, fate intervened. I went

on to the DC MS committee to

have a quieter life before the

phone hacking scandal broke and

then ended up investigating the

company that had libelled me

previously when I was a

Minister. What happened to me

I met the victim of a very

serious sexual crime who told

me that she was on the target

list, not just her but her

partner and parents. Glenn

Mulcaire, the private investigator. He went to jail

in 2006 for hacking the phones.

When I began to meet the

victims, I felt a duty and

obligation to finish the

inquiry off from their sake.

They didn't have a voice and

had not been

had not been listened to for

many years. Politicians were

elected to be their voice.

That's what I hoped I ended up

doing. It was very tough in

2009. I can laugh about it

now, but it was a very, very

unpleasant year to be an MP

investigating News

International back then. It is

not only the surveillance of

MPs who were on the committee,

as we've discussed. We also

know lawyers acting for phone

hacking claimants had private investigators following them

and their families and

producing dossiers. All of

that must have cost thousands

of pounds at least. Then there

will be the (2) 000-0000 odd dollars sent on settlements

with victims. Do you strike it

as odd that shareholders of

News Corporation, the parent company, haven't

company, haven't been more vocal against Rupert Murdoch

and his children who are still

running the company? I think

it is remarkable that the

company have been so slow to

respond at all points. The

only way they've acted is when

they've been forced to do it by

public exposure. Of course,

shareholders are a little bit

behind the eight ball on this. Part of the difficulty is the

way the shares are arranged.

Murdochs own 12 or 13% of the

company but even this week by a

change of rules have now

controlled 42, 43% of the voting shares. Actually, I

think if the company were to

rearrange its shares such that

the number of votes you get

equates to the number of shares

you own, the financial

institutions that invest in the company would very quickly clean out the clean out the wrongdoing and

put new system of corporate

governance and accountability

in that most modern companies

expect these days. Tom Watson,

thank you very much for your

time this evening. Thank you. France's presidential

candidates are making their

final pitches before Sunday's

first round of voting in the

election. Incumbent Nicolas

Sarkozy and the socialist

challenger Francois Hollande

appeared to be venally match

for this round but poll are

predicting Holland will win the

second round easily. Europe

correspondent Philip Williams

has the story. Despite the

enthusiasm of the campaign rallies,

rallies, this is one French

President in trouble. Nicolas

Sarkozy should be enjoying the

benefits of incumbency but his

brash take no prisoners style

is apparently wearing thin.

They don't like him any more.

They don't trust him. In fact,

they reject him in a very

emotional, I would nearly say, irrational

irrational way. Irrational or

not, the polls say his

socialist challenger, Francois

Hollande, will be the next

French President. Although in

the first round this Sunday

he's neck and neck with Nicolas

Sarkozy on the May 6th second

round when it is just the two

of them, Francois Hollande is

well ahead. He's the exact

opposite of Nicolas Sarkozy. The French may

The French may be ready to move

from someone who has clearly

too much to someone who may be

just not enough. The election

is going to be decided on

personal style and not at all

on programs, on fundamental

issues. But there are significant policy differences. Francois Hollande says he'll Francois Hollande says he'll

increase taxes for the rich,

boost wages for the poor, hire

more teachers and police, and

somehow at the same time cut

the deficit. The details are a

little hazy, but he's not alone

there. Mr Francois Hollande

wants to tax the rich people,

but he knows that if he taxes

the rich people too much, they

will go away. Right? Mr

Sarkozy wants to reduce the

debt, but he cannot say what

kind of taxes he will

increase. If the frontrunners

are being less than specific

about how they'll pay for their

election promises, whoever wins

will run an economy in less

than robust condition. Public

debt at 90% of GDP, high

unemployment, under capitalised

banks, some say it is unsustainable.

unsustainable. Globalisation

which is generally front - our

welfare state, what we call our

welfare state, cannot go on

like that. It cannot go on

like that. They cannot say

that. They're not ready to do

that. They don't have the

courage to say that. Nicolas

Sarkozy's made much of his

relationships in Europe, especially with German

Chancellor Angela Merkel. He

warns his socialist rival will

upset those links upset those links demands for

treaty renegotiations and he

says there will be an economic

catastrophe if Francois

Hollande wins the keys to the

palace. How different will

France be and particularly in

its relationship with Europe

under Francois Hollande?

Probably not that different

because the margin of

manoeuvring is so slim. manoeuvring is so slim. France

is heavily in indebted. The

union is very tight. It will

not be that different in

content even if it will be very

different in style. But for the

President, more than just

humiliation waits if he loses

the election. There are a

number of financial scandals

hanging over him, including

suggestions he accepted suggestions he accepted campaign funds from Moammar

Gaddafi in 2007, something he

has denied. If he's not

elected, again, he will have to

answer to the judiciary and he

wouldn't be able to use his

immunity as President to escape

the judicial system. The

killing of terrorist suspect

Mohammed Merah shocked the

nation. His rampage also gave Nicolas Sarkozy

Nicolas Sarkozy an unexpected

platform. TRANSLATION: He

could appear presidential, a

calm determined leader,

cracking down on extremists and

illegal immigrants, protecting

the nation. Immigration,

Islam in particular, have come

to the fore in the wake of the

Toulouse killings and President Toulouse killings and President

Sarkozy, who is a consummate

politician, has tried to make

political capital out of the

tragedy and played on people's

fears. Whoever wins had race

will face the same hard, cold

economic realities. It may be

President Holland, he may yet

have very little room to

move. Earlier in the week, we

brought you stories brought you stories about how

our understanding of the brain

is influencing teacher

training. Neuroscience

revealed 80% of brain

development occurs in the first

three years of life. By the

age of four 92% of the brain is

already formed. Two years ago

the Federal Government began

testing five-year old children

to gauge their school readiness, resulting showed

that one in three why falling

through the cracks, with close

to no language skills. As

Education Minister, Julia

Gillard made early education a

priority. Programs offering

preschooling to disadvantaged

children in the Northern

Territory like the ones shown

on Lateline, now receive

Federal grants. Educational

engagement with children in

those first years pays off

according to one of the world's

leading neurologists Dr Judy Willis. Dr Willis. Dr Willis is a

scientist and former teacher

who has written six books about

applying the mind, brain and

educational research in the

classroom. Dr Willis joined us

from Santa Barbara. Dr Judy Willis, thank you very much for

being there. It is my pleasure

and honour. You practised as a

neurologist for 15 years before

changing tack and becoming a school teacher. What was it

that you wanted to bring to the

classroom? I hoped that I

could make a change in what I

was seeing as a doctor in my

office. I was seeing kids

referred to me for what were

believed to be knew logic

conditions at a greater rate

than ever before, I had been in

practice for 15 years, but so

many kids were sent to me for

what teacher thought were

attention problems, behaviour

problems, and I found out the

schooling had changed and now

it's happened all over the

world, that as new information

grew, it was shoved in the

curriculum and these kids were

responding to be a asked to

memorise so much facts with

stress. Their stress response

was what the brain is supposed

to do when it is unstress, you

act out, you zone out, the way

animals flight, fight, freeze. My hope if I

My hope if I became a teacher,

knowing what I know about the

brain, my students, 90 kids a

year, I would be aware that

nobody wants to act badly. They're responding to stress

and I would help them do things

to reduce the stress and school

would become wouldn't become so

onerous. The joy would

comeback to learning. It is

wonderful how neuro science

guides in ways to help kids learn learn more effectively. Given

what we know about a child's

brain and its development, how

early should education start?

The earlier the better in

terms of parents talking with

their children, making eye

contact, giving them experiences, because the brain

is setting up patterns from the

time it is born, organising the

world into patterns and

categories. It is those that categories. It is those that

get stored as networks in the

brain so later in school and in

life new information, if it

doesn't find anything in the

brain to link up with, to code

with, it doesn't really stay.

The more experiences and words

that they hear as babies and

growing up, when they get to school, it is like a school, it is like a puzzle,

the pieces know where to fit. If there are problems with

parents or the home situation,

then having an outside

opportunity like a preschool or

a day care centre with people

who will provide that

stimulation is the next best

thing. In Australia we're about

to introduce a system that

intends to provide oeuvre

universal access for four year

olds to preschool. Is that

early enough do you think? Of

course, in many parts of Europe

they're offering free state

funded preschool 15 hours a

week at the age of

three. Again, as an alternative

to parents, who already have

good bonds, certainly the bond

of love and affection and trust

and one-on-one is ideal with

parents, but if that can't be

the situation, if parents can't

provide the mental manipulation

and stimulation and encouragement, then starting at

four is better than at five,

and starting at three is better

than four. The earlier the brain experiences the

opportunity to hear words, to develop patterns of what's

familiar, what goes together,

the more efficiently it will

learn later and the more

comfortable it will be with the

academic setting. As long as

it is a loving place where the

child feels they can explore a

natural Curiosity is

encouraged, not regimented, but

there's a real sense of trust.

The right climate is great to

be maybe necessary for kids who

don't have the right moment environment. There's research

that says good quality

preschool education, those who preschool education, those who

have access and opportunity for

that sort of environment, end

up achieving better and

university. How are the two

related? The brain is very

plastic and the more we start

building those categories of

structures, those networks and

patterns the better. However,

once they're in place, even if

there's a delay and a catch

there's a delay and a catch up,

the kids may not have equal

educational experience once

they get to school. They may

not have the same attendance as

other classmates. But the

background that they've

constructed, the brain that

they've built, with early

experiences, will be there and

can be picked up on in later

years. Whether the delay is

until college or high school,

that's unfortunate, but at

least that net, that network,

is there. In Australia we've

had a lot of focus in the last

few years on education and

particularly, though, on

funding for education and more

specifically on funding things

like buildings and new halls

and so on. Is that necessarily

always the correlation that you

have to have more money or is

it more

it more about a focus on

teaching and how children

learn? What's most important

to a child is the sense that

they are safe and can

experiment and can be curious

and will be taken care of in a

learning environment. Whether

the building looks nice or

whether it has a lot of art in the room, it

the room, it is lovely, but if

a child feels "I'm in a place

where I can explore, try things

out, say things that a think

could be right but it is all

right to make mistakes

request," in that type of

learning environment in the

trust it can build, that's

going to cause the most

positive brain changes. We now

know, because we have scanners

that show what the brain is

doing, how the brain is responding during stress,

during pleasure, during fear,

we see that during stress the

structures getting hyper

metabolic, not letting flow to

the higher brain, yet, when

kids have experienced how to

help themselves destress or

suddenly when somebody comes

into the room whom they trust,

we see the metabolic activity we see the metabolic activity

start decreasing in this area

and we see flow go back again

into the higher brain and

behaviour have an input from

the reflect shift brain.

People make the difference. Trust makes the difference. Kids understanding their brain

and understanding when they're

acting out and zoning out, it

is not their voluntary choice.

It is what the brain does when

it perceives stress. I think

you've mentioned before in your writings that a lot of writings that a lot of this is

also down to an obsession with

testing. Children are tested throughout their calculate dem

Mick lives here now. What's

your view of the value of such

tests in terms of improving

outcomes? Ideally a test

should be to give the teacher

the administration evidence

about how well student are

learning something so that

adjustments can be made,

improve mentes can be made in the way it is taught so

learning can be more

successful. Those types of

written tefrts should not be to

judge how good the teacher or

student is. It should be a way

of okay, this is the

information we have back, let's

see what we need to change. Instead, please don't go there

Australia, but instead the

system we have in the US is the

results on these tests that the

kids take reflect directly the

amount of funding schools get. The unfortunate switch comes

and the pressure is teach for

the test, not use the test to

inform teaching. You're in a

good place. You haven't made

the funding of a school

dependent on the test scores.

You can still use those tests

for feedback, but certainly let

the kids know that they are not

a test score. Tests only

measure what the tests asks. They don't measure how much

else the child knows that isn't

asked. Formal tests like those

bubble tests with the multi Tul choice questions are fine it if

it is going to change the

curriculum or teaching.

They're not a good way to he's

the wisdom a child has

learned. The best countries in

the world as as far as academic

achieves are concerned, what

are they doing right that other

countries aren't? If I teach

you how to multi pill 7 times

14 that's a big number. If you

memorise what that is, that's a

little fact, but the only time

your brain will dig into that being activate that

being activate that member

memory when it is asked what is

7 times 14. In these other

countries they daed indicate a

lot of time to problem solving,

to discovering. If you

discovered on your own, maybe

you would be doing it with little man nip tives and

blocks, maybe you would be

doing it by making a skit about

7 and 14, if you were to

discover what 7 and 14, 7 times

14 is because you did things to

learn it, now you have much

more than a memory. It is like

fishing pole versus a fish.

You have the ability to

extrapolate, to transfer

knowledge, so you'll be able

to, when higher numbers come

up, take what you learned

because you discovered what 7

times 14 was. You didn't just

memorise it. Your brain is so

different. A person who learns

by discovery has by discovery has not just the information activated in a

little network circuit when

they remember it, while we're

span scanning their brains we

see connections all over their

brains while they're thinking

of that multiplication and

what's moneyder full, these are

the time multi hemisphere

connections that light up

during the moment in a child an

and adult when they've gone beyond,

beyond, whef's improvised, when

thief innovated and taken what

they know and applied it to

something they never applied to

it before. You don't do that

with learning rote fax on a

test. You only do that

building understandings and

concept. They will be the

innovative kids who will be the

21st century leaders. What you're saying in essence it is

the way we teach and wait

children learn rather than

where money is allocated and so

on. Think of that child's

curiosity. You give the child

a big present, in the box, a little child. They love the

box, right. They have this wonderful imagination and

curiosity. They can take

things all over their

imagination which literally means the means the information is

stimulating lots of places in

their brain. That's the type

of brain preparation that's

great for school and it is

great for life. That child who

got a big box didn't get a very

expensive present orphanscy

classroom, they got someone who

encouraged them to explore and

curious and supported them and

played with them. It turns out block play,

block play, kids using their

imagination and block collaboratively with another classmate, that turns out to be

one of the greatest things. It

is sad, but there's a whole

study about how to get kids to

play, how to teach play. When

you and I were kids no-one had

to teach us how to play. Since it's been pulled out it needs

to be reinstated and some

people need people need instructions. Thank

you so much Dr Judy Willis for

your time this evening. My

pleasure. Over a career

spanning 35 years, the American

songwriter and poet, Henry

Rollins has kept to a simple

personal creed, make music not

war. Henry Rollins believes in war. Henry Rollins believes in

the power music to affect real

change and is willing to go to

the world's front lines to

proof it by touring both

Afghanistan and Iraq to

entertain US troops. Hamish

Fitzsimmons reports. Henry

Rollins has pursued art and

politics all his career.

Rising to prominence in the 19

will 90s punk band Black Flag,

to smuggling music to spread

international goodwill. I did a a social experiment many years

ago in Iran where I smuggled in

a 100 gigabyte of hard drive of

music and I gave it to one

person who I'll not name and I

said do you have the equipment

available to dispute these MP 3

files all over the country.

Yes I do. Threat's get

going. In the last 10 years,

Rollins has entertained US troops in

troops in Iraq and Afghanistan

and believes more than ever in

the Power of music. I think the

greatest western import besides

maybe the internet and

penicillin and things like

that, would be music. Jazz, blues, Rock n Roll. Just the

gift that music is, how it

liberates people, how it

embolden people, how it is a

great, it cuts through all

borders. You don't need a

passport for music. It is passport for music. It is a

wonderful invention and not to

say that America or the West

has a lock on music, are you

kidding? But as an export item, I think the West that's

one of its gifts. Relentless

travel and curiosity drive

Henry Rollins. He spends much

of each year on the road

performing spoken word shows or

working with aid organisations.

Most recently, in Africa. I

think by and large the impact

of the West on Africa has been

deleterious. When you really

see what Thomas Friedman's

great dream of globalisation

looks like, you see a little

kidding walking by with a

slayer T-shirt or a Nike

baseball cap on which I've

seen, really, to see Macdone

McDonald's in all of these places, to see beautiful people

of Thailand with a McDonald's

uniform in Chiang Mai, it is

like what a slap in the face to

these cultures and

people. While many of his

contempt trees have settle into

comfortable middle able staying

angry fuels Henry Rollins.

Satisfaction is the enemy. My

anger keeps me aware and sharp

eyed. It doesn't lead me to

drink, punch holes in drink, punch holes in walls,

destroy public property or kick

dogs, not at all. It leads me

to do more benefit shows, ask

more questions, question my

apparent representative

democracy. For its

transparency and how much it

really is representative. And

on and on of the all good

things come not from a jaundiced eye but we've got to

make that better. That was

good, but you've got to make it better. Henry Rollins better. Henry Rollins is

currently on the road in Australia. Hamish Fitzsimmons, Lateline. Now let's take a look

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