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The Federal Government's proposed Emissions Trading

Scheme goes before the Senate.

The mammoth operation to

separate conjoined Bangladeshi

begin twins enters its 22nd hour. Barack Obama presses

China on the issue of freedom

before his meeting with

President Hu Jintao. And

Australian fast bowler Brett

Lee is weighing up his Test

future after yet another injury setback. Good morning. It's

Tuesday 17 November. I'm Mary

Gearin. And I'm Joe O'Brien.

The top story on sniz News

Breakfast - debate about the if the's Emissions Trading Scheme

will begin in the Senate today.

passed the legislation The House of Representatives

yesterday. The Government and

Opposition are continuing to negotiate amendments although some in the Coalition have

already indicated they'll vote

against it. If the Senate

rejects the scheme a second

time, it could lead to a double

dissolution election. And now

for more on that Melissa Clarke

joins us now from Canberra.

Good morning. Obviously the ETS

is going to dominate today and

it looks like now the APEC has

failed to meet and set binding

targets, is there the sense

that the Coalition is going to

take advantage of this and

harden its stance? It could

well be the case because what

we saw at APEC with world

leaders failing to come to any

kind of agreement on setting a

target for emissions reduction

is it really seems to have

taken the bind wind out of the

sails of emissions trading

discussions at hoax. Kevin Rudd

has pushed the need for this

Emissions Trading Scheme to be

passed in this sitting of

parliament because he saws that's necessary to convince

the leaders at Copenhagen to

set proper and ambitious targets. Malcolm Turnbull staked his leadership on the

need to act on climate change,

so when the world leaders of

APEC can't come to an agreement

and Copenhagen starts to look

like it won't achieve much at

all, it doesn't leave either Kevin Rudd or Malcolm Turnbull

in a very strong position and

that may well embolden people

like Nick Minchin and others in

the Liberal Party who are

sceptical about the need for an

Emissions Trading Scheme of any

sort. On another front, the PM

was under pressure yesterday in

Question Time on the aslyum

seekers and that continued also

with the news that Indonesian President Yudhoyono is

cancelling his visit this week? The Rudd Government is

saying that that visit by

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono was

never in concrete. It was a

always a plan but nothing has

been set down and sceling

clashes mean it can't happen

but if he had been here next Sunday, it would have been

incredibly awkward for the

Government given that this aslyum seeker issue still vaept

been resolved with aslyum

seekers still on board the

'Oceanic Viking' and the other

big ship at the port of Merak

and the problems that's causing

between the Indonesian and Australian Governments, it would have been politically

near impossible to have the

sort of public events you have

when a head of State visits

another country. It would have

been given the Opposition the

opportunity to focus on aslyum

seeker issues and get the keep

the pressure on there and the

media a lot of opportunities to

ask questions that perhaps they

don't want asked. It is rather

convenient that this visit now

probably won't be happening

until February. It comes on the

back of the APEC meeting with

Kevin Rudd couldn't get a

formal bilateral meeting with

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, only

a couple of informal ones and

Julie Bishop told the Lateline

program last night that that

looks like an indication that

the relationship between the

two nations is

deteriorating. It's been a

month now since the PM

announced that he had an

agreement with the Indonesian

President. Now, we need to know

whether this kind of diplomacy,

megaphone or not, has impacted

upon our relationship with

Indonesia. It is a most

significant relationship in any

event, but we need to stop the

people smuggling trade, we need

to stop the boats and in order

to do that we need a

cooperative relationship with

Indonesia and my fear is that

Mr Rudd is failing on both

counts. Julie Bishop talking on

Lateline last night. On top of

all that we also have a

newspaper Newspoll out this

morning that on the face f out

suggests that Kevin Rudd is

suffering in the polls because

of the impasse on the 'Oceanic

Viking'?.

The Newspoll certainly shows

that Kevin Rudd's approvalal

rating is starting to go down

from the height it was a month

and a half ago. It's now down

to 56.5% which is quite

reasonable for most leader but

for Kevin Rudd is quite a bad

result. It's not all bad news

for the Government because in

latest Newspoll shows that the

last one which showed a huge

was battering for Government really

was quite a rogue poll. That

last one showed the

Government's lead being on a

two-party preferred basis being narrowed from an 18 point

margin town to a 4 point margin

and that set the PM Kevin Rudd

on a string of media interviews

to try and counteract some of

that. Today's poll puts it back

at a much more reasonable

difference of a 12 point margin

at 44-#r56 which is in line

with the other polls around at

the moment, so it's not good

news for Kevin Rudd personally

but for the Government things

aren't quite as bad the as the

last Newspoll would have

suggested. In other news this

morning, surgeons are still

operating on conjoined

Bangladeshi twins at the Royal

children's hospital in

Melbourne. The surgery to seperate Maleah Masud, 15, and

Nabiha Masud, 21,by began at

8:30 yesterday morning. A

hospital spokeswoman says the

surgeons are still trying to

separate their brains. She says they're coping well and the operation should continue for

another couple of hours. The US

Barack Obama has told Chinese students that individual rights

and freedoms should be

available to all. During his

first trip to China as the US

leader President Obama

a-Drissed a meeting of Chinese

students in Shanghai. He told

them that certain freedoms were

universal and not just limited

to Americans. President Obama

then met his Chinese

counterpart Hu Jintao in

Beijing ahead of today's tudges

climate change. There's been

another dire forecast for

Australia's skills shortage. A

report out today from the

Victorian Victorian warns

Australia could have a skills

shortage of 1.4 million work

Birss 2025. It calls on the

Federal Government to raise the retirement age and boost

immigration to combat a decline

in workforce growth. NSW

residents are being told to

remain on arert after two

bushes threatened property in

Sydney's West yesterday.

Totally fire bans have been

declared for most of the State

today with temperatures

expected to top 40 degrees in

many areas, the a fire in a

forest west of Sydney is still

burning. And the United Nations

nuclear watchdog is concerned

Iran may have several secret

nuclear sites. An International Atomic Energy Agency report

said there was still unanswered

questions about the country's

recently declared nuclear plant

at quoom. The nuclear agency

was given access to the site

last month. It said the exact

purpose of the refinery was unclear. US President Obama

will the today hold talks with

his Chinese counterpart Hu

Jintao. The highly anticipated

event comes on day two of

President Obama's visit to

China. He's already held a

public meeting with Chinese

students where he fielded

questions on a wide range of

topics. On a cold and rainy

Shanghai winter's night, the

United States President arrived

in China . Barack Obama is the

first US leader to visit China

during his first 12 months in

office. He suspected in the

future this will become the

norm. It took a lot of

negotiating between Chinese and

American officials, President

Obama got to have his mass

meeting with Chinese students.

The participants were all

vetted by the communist party

but the questions were not all

going to be easy. When I heard

the news that some people in

America would like to propose,

continue selling arms and

weapons to Taiwan, I began to

get pretty worried? Through

dialogue, and negotiations

problems can be solved. We

always think that's the better

course, and I think that

economic ties and commercial

tie that are taking place in

this region are helping to

lower a lot of this tensions

that date back before you were

born or even before I was

born. Some of the Barack

Obama's answers wouldn't have

pleased the more nationalist

students. He was asked what the

US could do to respect other

countries cultures. President

Obama wasn't backing away from

universal human rights. It is

the view of the United States

that it is important for us to

affirm the rights of women all

around the world. And if we see certain societies in which

women are oposzed or they are

not getting opportunitiestor

there's violence toward women

we will speak out. The Chinese

Government has been sensitive

about this visit. Joke T-shirts

with Barack Obama wearing Mao

era paraphernalia were removed

if the shops. The shop owners

deny want to talk to the ABC

about this and the authorities

deny risk televising this

meeting live except for in

Shanghai. What they feared were questions like this one which

was read out by the US for are

ambassador. What did President

Obama think of chin's elaborate

system of Internet censorship

known as the great fire wall of

China? Free Internet or

unrestricted Internet access is

a source of strength. I think

should be encouraged. And the

questions kept coming? What

have you in this Chinese trip,

what have you brought to China

and what do you want from

China? Let me give you a

specific example. That is the

issue we were just discussing

of climate change. A meeting of

the minds between myself and

President Hu about how together

the United States and China can

show leadership. Because I will

tell you, other countries

around the world will be

waiting for us. This was a

first for China-America relation. Both Beijing and

Washington will hope it led to

more understanding. Now in

Melbourne, the marathon surgery

to separate a set of conjoined

Bangladeshi twins

continues. Our reporter James

Bennett is at the Royal

children's Hospital and he

joins now. What's the

latest? The latest from here at

the Royal children's is that

neurosurgeons are still working

to separate the brains of the

3-year-old conjoined twins.

It's been described as low and

meticulous work and part of the

reason for the delay is that

the teams of futuro surgeons

working on that particular

aspect of the procedure have

just had to take regular breaks

and get a bit of rest. The fact

that it has taken all night

obviously suggests that this

operation will go well beyond

the 24 hours mark, it began at

around 8:30 yesterday because

once the twins are actually physically separated there is

still quite some work to do for

surgeons to be able to

reconstruct their skulls and

indeed close the wounds which

have been open to affect the

separation. In this - yesterday

we were reporting that it was

expected to take up to 16

hours. Has there been any

suggestion from the hospital

that there have been more

complications or it's been more

of a challenge than they

expected? Not certainly with

the health of the twins.

They're reported to be doing

well and coping extremely well

with the duration of the

operation. As which said this

morning, the main aspect

attributed to this is the

complication and intricacy of

the surgery to separate the

brains and because there's only

a very select team of neurosurgeons which are working

on that aspect of the procedure

they simply had to take regular

rest breaks and and be able to

make sure that they're at their

sharpest and most alert. It's

not the kind of work that you

can just go and get 50 another

cup of coffee and plough

on. Disglil guess not. When do

they expect to know when it has

- whether it has been a success

or not? Well the hospital team

is still remaining fairly coy

on just how the twins are going

at the outset. They gave a 25%

chance of of success and around

a 50% chance that there would

be some form of brain damage

sustained during the operation.

With the physical separation

still at least a couple of

hours away, there's no word yet

on whether those odds have been

revised or how things are

looking other than to say that

the twins are coping still

extremely well. However, this

sort of operation isn't

anything out of the ordinary

for either them or the teams

working on them. These twins

have had eight operations prior

to this to work on separating

the blood vesz wils they share

and most of those have been

around 20 hours in duration as

well, so we're not too far past

what they're able to cope with

and signs at the moment are

still that everything is

proceeding on track . And no

doubt they'll be monitoring

them carefully for at least the

next couple of weeks after this

operation as well? That's

right. You can't imagine that

there'd be a quick trip home by

any means for the knewly

separated twins for them to

begin enjoying lives as

individual people. James

Bennett, thank you very much

for that in

Melbourne. Incredible story. I

think everyone will be

monitoring that for the next

couple of weeks. It's received

extraordinary coverage in

Melbourne itself and we'll keep

you across that through the

morning and over the next

couple of weeks. Now the front

pages of the major newspapers

around the country mentioning

them for sure the 'Australian'

reports that surviving of

institutionalised care sobbed

as PM Kevin Rudd apologised on

behalf of the nation. The also

features krutd's apology and

notes that survivors have now

been dubbed the remembered

Australians. The 'Mercury' says

hundreds of thousands of

Australians who grew up in

orphange s and institutions had

waited a life time for the

apology. Qantas Airways will

slash the number of first and

business class seats on its

long haul flights reports the

'Financial Review'. The 'Age'

features a story on the dame

Phillis Frost centre reporting

drug misuse among inmates and a

fot yof that surgery as well The 'Herald Sun' features

the conjoined twins and says to

far their surgery has gone

according to to plan. A child

sex offender duble the night

stalker has been allowed to roam Sydney streets without

being listed on any register

says the 'Daily Telegraph' The

first crack have emerged in

Nathan Rees's campaign to cleanse his Government according to the 'Sydney

Morning Herald'. The Adelaide 'Advertiser' reports the State

eased water restricts yesterday

in response to people desperate to maintain their gardens

during the heatwave DNA

evidence keep in a freezier for

20 years has led to the

conviction of a man over a

brutal rape says the 'Northern

Territory News'. The 'West

Australian' says the State's

nationals leader sparked

criticism when he congratulated

another MP for dodging a

corruption charge. And finally

the 'Courier-Mail' reports the

biggest subcontractor on the

$5.6 Brisbane connection toll

rod is a company with close ties to a West Australian bikie

gang. If you'd like to send us

your feedback, send emails to -

the top stories on News Breakfast this morning - the

Senate will today begin debate

ing the Federal Government's

Emissions Trading Scheme. The

House of Representatives passed

the legislation yesterday, the

Government and the Opposition

are continuing to negotiate amendments but some Coalition

members have already indicated

they'll vote against

it. Surgeons are continuing to

operate on conjoined Bangladeshi twins at

Melbourne's Royal children's

hospital. The surgery to

separate the girls Krishna and

Trishna began yesterday

morning. A hospital spokeswoman

says the operation should

continue for another couple of

hours. And the US President Barack Obama has addressed

Chinese students at a town hall

meeting in Shanghai. He told

them that individual rights and

freedoms should be available to

all, not just Americans. President Obama then met his

Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao

in Beijing. NSW Premier Nathan

Rees has unveiled his new

frontbench team following the

sacking of two high profile

ministers. Commentators say

it's the latest plot line in a

political saga which has begun

to resemble a Shakespearean drama. MUSIC

? It's the longest running

melodrama in the country. An

overblown plot line of

betrayal, scandal, ven forbid

en love and that's just the

Cabinet ministers. They've

provided with us a kind of

rolling Shakespearean tragedy

that has also included elements

of romance and comedy, several

ministers have been caught with

their pants down. It's 14

months since the factional war

lords of NSW Labor did the

unthinkable. Banishing the

elected Premier Morris Iemma to

political oblifon. The unknown

and untried Nathan Rees was

installed in his place,

promising a clean slate for a

Government on its last gasp. I

will be giving you, the effort

you deserve, I'll be having a

red hot go at fixing the

problems in NSW. But saddled

with a mutinious Cabinet

treachery has dodged the

Premier's leadership. Fresh

round of internal brawling. The

circumstances in which Mr Rees

came to power have left the

Government demoralised and as

turned Caucus into a set of

warring tribes. This has meant

that Mr Rees has never had a

moment of clear air in which to

get the Government moving

forward. Please be upstanding

and welcome the Premier of NSW,

Nathan Rees and his wife

Stacey. Squaring up to party

delegates at the weekend State

dmpbs Nathan Rees delivered an

ultimatum. Calling on the party

to give him the power to hire

and fire his own Cabinet

ministers and one last chance

to save the Government from

certain oblifon?. I conot ask

if the lightly. I simply stand

before you trusting that you

understand what I seek and the

reasons that I seek it. Within

hours, Premier Rees had claimed

the first two scalps, primary

industries Minister Ian

MacDonald, the main player in a

leadership plot, by former

Health Minister John Della

Bosca before he was forced to

resign in disgrace of after

Extra martial affair and

Finance Minister Joe trip ody.

Until yesterday, one of the

party's most powerful

kingmakers and the man who

backed Nathan Rees into the

Premiership after turning on

his mate, the former Premier

Morris Iemma. My mother and

father were migrants from

Italy. I never thought I'd be a

member of parliament, I never

thought I'd be a Minister so as

far as I'm concerned the way I

judge myself is that I've

achieved far more than anyone

can expect from that

background. You look at the

look on his fasz and you know

he's one of the guys who shoed

in in. Is this is now last

reshuffle before the election.

Disgle was axing Joe worth

risking your job

for? Ultimately the community

of NSW will decide that. PM

Kevin Rudd has been quick to

support the Premier.. I fully

back it. Fully back it. The

State Government is now so

badly on the nose with voters

there's been growing alarm in

Canberra over the fact the Rudd

Government will have to face

the polls before NSW in 2011. I

think all the Labor Premiers

around Australia would be

saying "Come on, Kevin, get we

hind this bloke, give him a

chance." Let's not have another

period of instability, another

change of leadership in NSW.

Back in guy in, see if he can

get it across the line. The PM

is terrified at what the the

desperately bad polling of

Labor in NSW could do to his

own success in outer Sydney

marginals, the question really

is whether with this desperate

last roll of the dice, a crazy

brave move that attempts to

rebrand the Government and

portray himself as both tough

and principled, Premier Rees

can finally do what he's promised so often again and

again, draw a line in the sand,

brand new day, soap opera

over. Deb Cornwall with that

report N finance the board of

Transurban is opening courting

a higher takeover over to trump

the $7 billion bid for two

Canadian pension funds.

Regardless of the outcome of

the deal, the offer represents

a willingness of the Canadian

funds to make direct

investments and take a

long-term view. Critics say

it's these strategies write

lacking among these Australian

peers. The Ontario teachers

pension plan has an

international reputation for

investment performance The

Ontario teachers pension plan

and the Canada pension plan are

big and they want assets that

generate cash over the long

term. They already own 28% of

toll road operator Transurban

and they're offing $6.8 billion

or $5.25 a security for the

remaining 72%. The Transurban

board is unimpressed writing to

security holders to tell them

that the bid failed to

recognise Transurban's

performance are -

Andrew Chambers agrees? We

have a valuation around $5.96

at the moment. But that doesn't

include some of the upside that

might exist through corporate

cost cutting or widening roads

within the Sydney network. The

ability of the two Canadian

superannuation funds to purr

Christmas a company the size of

Transurban has attracted the

attention of Jeremy cooper is

man inquirying into the Australian superannuation

system. Canada pension plan is

worth $1 96 million and the

Ontario teachers pension plan

$89 billion. The biggest funds

in Australia are Australian

super and colonial first state,

both at around $2 # B Jeremy

Cooper believes this puts

Australian funds at a

significant disadvantage on

global investment. However, the

head of Australia's peak

superannuation body isn't so

sure. A lot of sewer fund

overseas that invest in

infrastructure assets are ones

that are defined define benefit

funds so they know when they

need to pay out a pension and

they have a long tail when it

comes to having paid out

benefits, with accumulation

style w portability, with

choice, the way we invest

necessarily has to be aed by

different Another of Jeremy

Cooper's concerns is that the

super industry is dictated to

by fund managers. It's a view

shared by the man who runs

superer ratings which closely

monitors the importance an of superfunds. The investment

management sector is the one

that drives the biggest profits

out every year and has done for

many many years. You would

think those with the cheque

book would comment the industry

and that doesn't really happen

at the moment. As for

Transurban, it's left the door

open to negotiate with the two

Canadian funds if they make a

higher offer. US carmaker

General Motors will start paying back its Government

loans earlier than expected.

The company will make its first

payment of $1.2 billion to the

US Government next month. It

hadn't been required to start

paying back the loan until

20156789 the step up in

repayments comes despite the

automaker posting a third

quarter loss. We'll go to the

markets now. There's been a

reasonable jump on Wall Street.

In a few minute minutes Paul

will be here with a look at the

weather. And a daily review of

our newspapers and this morning

we'll be joined by person

person. With sport here is Paul Kennedy. Thank you. Good

morning. Australian fast bowler

Brett Lee is injured again and

may retire from Test cricket.

His sore elbow was playing up

during the NSW one-day game on

Sunday against Tasmania. He has

pulled out of the State four

day game which makes it

impossible for him to resume

playing Tests before Christmas.

Let's hear now from the NSW

coach Matthew Mot, the. He

said, "Look I've got some news.

I don't think I'm right to get

through four days of

cricketment he just showed the

character of the main. Our

physio before he left was here

for 20 years and said that the

toughest bloke and the hardest

bloke he's ever had on his

bench was Brett and you could

see that yesterday. I certainly

didn't see that he was going

through any pain. Very

disappointed. I think he's

tried hard. He's done

everything right. He's tried to

be cautious and come back the

right way. But I still think

he's very positive about

getting through it and the fact

he got through some overs

yesterday has got to be a good

sign as well but just dealing

with that pain for four days

was a bit too much to try and

get through at this stage There

are some reports that Brett Lee

may hold an announcement today to decide his future. Ricky

Ponting isn't thinking about retiring. In fact he's making

long-term plans, this is

Ponting talk to the '7:30

Report''s Kerry O'Brien about

the recent Ashes lost

losz. Very keen to go back this

time and change things around

and make this team have its own

piece of Ashes history if you

like but unfortunately we

weren't quite good enough

again, so what I've got to do

now is stay fit enough and good

enough to stay in the side for

a couple more years and have

another crack at it. I actually

felt that - and as we showed through that period of time -

if we played our best cricket,

it was definitely good enough.

I haven't for one second wanted

not to be captain of the

Australian cricket team. I'll

guarantee you that. It's more

exciting a job and a task for

me now than it ever has been

with the amount of young

talented players that we've got

in the team, I really enjoy

sharing moments with them, I

enjoyed more than anything

walking off the field in Durban in South Africa last year with

a group of young players and

looking back and looking at the

smiles on their faces because

we just won a series over there

that nobody thought we could

win. There's a great challenge

there but one that I'm up for and excited about and looking

forward to what the next couple

of years holds for disglus

there's been a major power

shift in the last 24 hours in

Formula One. Surprise surprise.

More changes in that sport. And

Mercedes is buying back into

the sport. It's taken a major

share of Brawn GP. Joe and

Mary, you may recall that Brawn

scooped the pools this year

with Jenson button and the

drivers championship. What's

going to happen now is Jenson

is likely to move to McLaren

they say, McLaren or Ferrari,

so that see him move on and get

a big new contract because Mercedes of course being

German-owned is likely to have

a German driver and Rosberg is

tipped to go there. There's

some old footage of Mercedes

and Fangio, a name that's synonymous with Formula One sh

does have a long history

Mercedes Benz and you would

think that them buying back in

now be able to run Brawn GP

which is a really strong

outfit. I'm surprised Button

left braup so quickly but we'll

talk about that more later. I

think it comes down to

nationalities and Mercedes

wanting a German driver. Thank

you. These can be watched live

on the web from anywhere. Now

with the weather here is Paul

Higgins? Thank you very much

Joe and good morning to you.

There was some big

thunderstorms last night around

Sydney. Not all that much rain

but nearly 1,000 lightic

strikes were recorded. They

were triggered as a pressure

trough moved awhat way to the

north A low has formed east of

Tasmania. There's another

pressure trough in the west and that's moving into the western

Bight. This eastern trough will

continue moving north but

there'll be hot north-westerly

winds ahead of it. That hi in

the south will bring a drizzly

morning to southern Tasmania

and Victoria. A trough in the

west will fire up some

thunderstorm along the coast.

Around the States -

The top story on News

Breakfast - the Government's

Emissions Trading Scheme is up

for debate in the Senate today.

After being passed by the House

of Representatives yesterday. Meanwhile the

Federal Opposition has lost

ground in today's Newspoll

confirming that last fortnight's massive increase

was a rogue result. And when

parliament returned yesterday

for the final two weeks of the

year, Malcolm Turnbull's focus

was on aslyum seekers. Eight

days and counting until the

parliamentary year closes. And

for some it can't come soon

enough. The clock is ticking

for the planet, it's ticking

for Australia and it's also

ticking for this parliament. Between climate

change and refugees, Question

Time is about who's best at

changing the subject. Why won't

the PM come clean on his

special deal? And the

Opposition Leader wants to keep

the 'Oceanic Viking' in the

frame and the deal used to

entice 22 Tamils ashore. The

special deal being sought by

those on the vessel was for the

vesz toll come to Australia. We

have not responded to that

pressure. But he is denying

that he knew before hand about

the offer of a fast tracked

rement is or approved it. In

answer to the question is no

and no Latary clarification,

his staff were aware, through the border protection committee

of Cabinet? There are

ministerial staff represented

on the committee including my

own staff. There is no question

that he his misled the House. There is sno question about

that. The fact is it is a

preferential deal. APEC in Singapore was meant to produce

a new refugee agreement with

Indonesia but Kevin Rudd

couldn't land a formal meeting

with the President. And plans

for Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to

visit Australia next Sunday

have been postponed. We discuss

a range of things including his

visit to Australia which will

materialise at the end of this

year,. But is the refugee

obsession paying off for

Malcolm Turnbull. Newspoll in the 'Australian' newspaper

confirms that much of last

fortnight's big increase has

evaporated.

After preferences the gap has

widened to 12 points with the

Government now leading by 5 6%

to 44. That's still the better

up in number nor the coalition

than it was a month ago. And

Malcolm Turnbull's perm

approvalal has risen. Lifting

his rating as better PM into

the 20s. The result of the

division is aye, 7 #, knows

56... The true test of the

Turnbull leadership will come

in the nefl fortnight. The

lower house has passed the

Emissions Trading Scheme, the

Senate is next. But the dealing

goes on.. I would say to all

those opposite, to continue

their good faith negotiations

with the Government. They've

won the exclusion of

agriculture, but want more. For many on the Coalition side the

weekend's APEC meeting only confirms suspicions that

securing a bieping global

climate deal this year could

prove impossible and that may

well strengthen party room

resolve against a vote before Copenhagen. What came out of

the APEC meeting? Well, fellas,

we'll do our best. To think

that we have to go to

Copenhagen with legislation

because it shows that we're

serious is crazy.. I don't have

any problem with my colleagues conducting a mature, intelligent and courteous

debate on these issues There

are other more abrupt

definitions.. Rise above your

internal squabbling and act in

the interest of Australian

people and support the CPRS. J

just getting over electron

interm squabbling from that

distinguished Adelaide unionist

there. The smiles might be tech

rare. What do you think, did

did the PM mislead the

parliament and does Australia

need to pass the ETS

legislation before the Copenhagen summit?

In oh news, surgeons are

still operating on conjoined

Bangladeshi twins at

Melbourne's Royal children's

hoo. The surgeary to separate

Trishna and Krishna has just

entered its # #nd hour. A

hospital spokeswoman says the

surgeons are still trying to

separate their brains. She

stays twins are coping well and

the operation should continue

for another couple of hours. US

President Barack Obama has told

Chinese students that

individual rights and freedoms

should be available to all.

During his first trip to China

as the US leader, President

Obama addressed a town hall

meeting of Chinese students in

Shanghai. He told them that

certain freedoms were universal

and not just limited to

Americans. President Obama then

met his cheese counterpart Hu

Jintao in Beijing ahead of

today's key talks on climate

change. The Federal Opposition is concerned the Indonesian

President postponed a trip to

Australia because of the

stand-off involving 78 aslyum

seekers. Susilo Bambang

Yudhoyono was expected to

arrive next week. An Indonesian

Foreign Ministry spokesman says

the trip was called because of

sceling issues. In Indonesia

there's been speculation Mr

Yudhoyono would stay home to

deal with a corruption scandal.

He's expected to visit

Australia early next year. NSW

residents are being told to

remain on alert after two

bushfires threatened property

in Sydney's west yesterday.

Total fire bans have been

declare declared for most of

the state today with

temperatures expected to top 40

degrees in many xwrrs. A fire

in the Canobalas State Forest

west of Sydney is still burning. The United Nations

nuclear watch dog is concerned

Iran may have several secret

nuclear sites. An International Atomic Energy Agency report said there were still unanswered questions about the

country's recently declared

nuclear plant at Qom. The

nuclear agency was given access

to the site last month. It said

the exact purpose of the refinery was

unclear. Trade Trade will also

be high on the agenda when

President Obama when meets

president Hu Jintao in the

Chinese capital today.

President Obama arrives at a

time when China has criticised America forly.Ing China's

economic growth through

restrictive trade practices. Chinese security

forces protect the hotel where

Barack Obama and his entourage

are staying in Beijing.

Commerce secretary Gary Locke

went ahead of the President to

try and smooth the road for

what's likely to be tense

economic talks. I think it's

quite clear all around the

world as to the views of what

China should do with its currency. The United States has

been pleased with some of the

progress made over time but

more needs to be done. The US

accuses China of devaluing its

currency to distort global

markets in its favour. Now the

Chinese commerce ministry is

returning fire saying that

accusation is hypocritical.

TRANSLATION: The US has been

deappreciatating its dollar to

increase its competitiveness,

as far as the economic downturn

goes it's not good for the

economy. It's not fair. Trade

tensions have been heightened

by US tariffs on some Chinese

products this year. He's

warning China not to

overreact.. China need to make

sure that they don't engage in

protensionism, don't say that

various products and services

can only be done by their

domestic companies or their

national companies disgh but

whine accuses the US of

hypocrisy on that score as

well. The US and other western

countries are supposed to be

the promoters of free trade but

insteader with seeing a country

of protectionism. A conservative America, not a

creative one And the commerce

ministry says western economies

reason giving China a fair

chance to choose the same path

of development that ensured

prosperity for countries like

the US. But it's not just the

Americans who are concerned

about what and I what they see

as the undervalued cheese

currency. Other countries such

as Indonesia and India say they're struggling to compete

in the global market because of

the cheap cheens yuan. The

world's first carbon capture

and storage facility aft a coal fired fired power plant has

been unveiled in the United

States. Supporters say the project represents the future.

But there's still a long way to

go with the facility capturing

only 1.5% of the p power

station's emissions. This is

the heart of America's coal

country. Here on the border

between O'Hoyo and West

Virginia the concentration of

coal fired power plants is to

great it's been nicknamed

megawatt alley. The mountaineer

plant on the West Virginia side

of the river is one of them.

Barges inching along the Ohio

River delive coal to this

29-year-old facility and others

like it. There are 500 coal

fired power plants along the

United States. They produce

half of the nation's energy

needs. They're also America's

biggest emissions villains,

producing one third of energy releted carbon dioxide

pollution. It's why they're at

the heart of the battle to

address climate change. Coal is

the largest problem we're fees

facing in terms of global

warming. Coal is burned in

India, chin, rus, Indonesia,

Australia, America, South

America, all of the eastern

European countries and lit baby

burned in all those countries

for a long long time. The

mountaineer plant is owned by

American electric power. The

nation's largest electricity

producer with 5 million

customers in 11 States. Now

pointeer has become the world's

first coal fired power plant to

capture and store carbon monoxide. So what you're

looking at here first is this

white pipe that comes down

carrying the flew gas from the combuston process that has the

carbon dioxide in the gas. This

where the capture part of the

process begins. The plant

produces about 9 million tonnes

of carbon dioxide a year. But

the technology on trial here

will only capture a fraction of

that. Is00,000 tonnes which is

about 1.5%. In the next step

the coal and flu gas comes down

this duct work and into the

absorber where the carbon

dioxide is captured from that

flu gas and then the clean flu

gas exhibits the top. The

captured carbon dioxide is then

pumped from the absorber into

what's called a regeneration

system. Then the regeneration

process you heat that solution

that contains the carbon

dioxide and you drive off the

pure stream of carbon dioxide

out the top of this. This pure

stream of carbon dioxide is

then compressed ready to be

stored, it's sent to two wells

where it's injected into tiny

powers in the rock 2 kilometres underground to be stored the

company hopes forever. This

mountaineer plant is providing

the world with some clues as whether controls on greenhouse

gas emission will work. It will

help side whether America's

coal fired power stations

become relics of a dirtier age

or can flourish in the future.

The mountaineer experiment has

been running for just two

months.. I guess I'm probably a

bit of an optimist. I know the

capture technology works. I

don't think anyone doubts that

whatsoever. The issue with the

storage is how will we be able

to determine that the

subsurface storage capacity and

what we think is the substur

fas ge logic formation that

will house the car carbon store

is functioning and that's going

take a while. Environmental

Alis think carbon capture and

storage is too little too

late. I certainly wouldn't

describe it as a silver bullet.

I'd describe it more as,

something like the rabbit on a

greyhound track. It's always

just right ahead of us but but

we have never get. There it's

really right now being used as

a very elusive promise that is

still so far away from actual

reality There's also the question of whether this

technology can be refined and

used on a bigger scale? The

industry also admits it will

double the cost of electricity

generation. But it argues that

coal will still be competitive

with natural gas, wind, solar

and nuclear energy. In the

meantime, companies like

American electric power are

warily watching the US climate

debatate. The US House of

Representatives has passed

legislation calling for a 17%

cut to greenhouse gas emissions

by 2020. The Senate is

considering a 20% target. Both

bills would create a cap and

trade regime. Some in the

electricity industry think the

Senate target is too

ambitious. So it's so troubling

to me when we get these

political goals that sound

excellent, they truly do, but

there's no reality to the

ability to get that done,

that's always a bit troubling

to me We are very optimistic

that will be a bill come early

next year, our hope is that the momentum will continue from

what we've seen over the last

few weeks and months, and that

we will get a bill that

actually lays out a very clear

foundation to get us on the

right track. But climate change

legislation in the US is facing

a long and contentious road to

approve A while the White House

is pushing Congress to make as

much progress as possible,er

before the global climate

change talks in Copenhagen,

it's unlikely there'll be

legislation if place by then.

Especially when passing it

could hinge on the vote of

politicians from coal States

like West Virginia. For now,

coal will remaybe a crucial

part of America's energy

equation. As it will in

Australia. Kim Landers with

that report. You are watching

News Breakfast. The top stories

on ABC News Breakfast - the

Senate will today begin debates

the Federal Government's

Emissions Trading Scheme. The House of Representatives passed

the legislation yesterday. The

Government and the Opposition

are continuing to negotiation

amendments but some Coalition

members have already indicated

they'll vote against it.

Surgeons are continuing to

operate on conjoined Bangladeshi twins at

Melbourne's royal children's

Hospital. The surgery to

separate the girls, Trishna and

Krishna, began yesterday

morning. A hospital spokeswoman says the operation should

continue for a couple of hours. And the US President

Obama has addressed Chinese

students at a town hall meeting

in Shanghai. He told them

individual rights and freedoms

should be available to all, not

just Americans. President Obama

then met his Chinese

counterpart Hu Jintao in

Beijing. Hello to person

person.. Yesterday was a big

day for Kevin Rudd, obviously,

it was a day that he said sorry

to the people, the forgotten

Australians. Really moving

ceremony too went it? It was

amazing thing to watch and just

the people that you were

speaking to, the people we

spoke to who were just so

affected by this. It was

maize See those elderly people

sitting there crying as the

speeches were made. It was

like... Well, it was also a day

yesterday when Kevin Rudd came

under microscope for voik yet

again. Did he actually know

before happened about this

deal? He told parliament he

didn't know. This is the deal

to allow 22 of the 78 aslyum

seekers on the 'Oceanic

Viking'. I love that answer, no

and no. He might need to

clarify Yes, he probably will,

because that's what is on the

front page of the 'Age' today.

Rudd staff in 'Oceanic Viking'

deal. They were involved in the

'Oceanic Viking' dealing, there

was a committee that was set

up, a parliamentary committee,

and in that committee he had

several members of his staff as

you would expect but he says he

didn't have any prior

knowledge. It sounds a little

bit like that American TV

series West Wing where all the

people in the back room are

doing the business and after

that they go back and see the

President Unfortunately it

played very much into Malcolm Turnbull's hands because they

have courted this image of

Kevin Rudd as a work holdic and

the hands on man and all of a

sudden how can he have no knowledge, say the Opposition, of this particular

deal. Sthaert. And we'll get to

where Malcolm Turnbull's going

to go on in in just a second.

It's very interesting that

happen, mind you Kevin Rudd was

travelling the world I think at

the time a lot of this was happening but you would think

there's such a thing as a

telephone. Talking about the

aslyum seekers, apparently the

22 that have gone off the ship

are being held separately.

That's also in the 'Age' story.

They're being held separately

even though Kevin Rudd is

saying they're not getting any

special treatment here. They're

being held separately in

Indonesia for their own safety

apparently because some of the

other people in the detention centre are saying they're

getting special treatment. So

that is something to be put in

isolation for that is something

else. We've also had the naus

comes through - again it's in

that story about a third boat

being intervent crepted the.

'Age' says it's the third boat in three days. The 'Australian' which is probably a little less

kind to Kevin Rudd says it's

the third boat in two days.

Some of the people we've been

speaking to on the program say

that the reason that they're

there are so many boats coming

at one time is we've got the

monsoon season coming up. There

usually is around around this

time of an influx F they're

going to cocome they try to do

it before the weather turns

baxd I'd like to do a search

through the papers and see if

there is - this is when the

headlines hit, all the people

are coming now. You've got the

big influx but that leadses on

of course to Malcolm Turnbull,

front page of the the

'Australian'. Ieg lights Kevin

Rudd misled parliament. And

this was what Malcolm Turnbull

was saying there. Of course,

originally bargy on thmplt he's

trying to get the upper hand on

this. But Labor is hitting back

saying that Malcolm Turnbull

hasn't learnt from the Godwin

Grech affair to come out with

these allegations and not

necessarily have any evidence

of them snmpbility yes, that's

the comeback to him. We'll see

how this one plays out. It's

very easy to say a PM has miss

led parliament. Especially when

you have the numbers to follow

through with it. It's

interesting over all today to

see the various commentators

saying the PM is losing ground

because APEC has shifted the

ground from underneath him and yet Malcolm Turnbull hasn't

been able to get the traction.

It seem like all the

commebtators are going to see

who get the moinnocentum. It says that the prime year

support ofor the Government, it

said that it rose slightly. It

actually d when you put into

into context it was 41 all last

time, in primary vote, it rose slightly is actually quite

significant because it takes it

up to 43 to 27 for the

Opposition. That's back to 6%

difference. Maybe the last one

was a rogue poll that showed

that they were equal there.

Rudd's satisfaction is at 5 f

which was we know is pretty low

for Kevin Rudd, as Melissa

Clarke told you this morning,

it's pretty low for Kevin Rudd

but still hey has been lower

than that.. I think she was

saying that the last one

reported an 18 point difference

in the two party preferred a

that's what they say said was

just so extraordinary and now

it's down to 12 points which

they can handle.. And all those

peed qula calls that Kevin Rudd

was doing, maybe they

worked. But there's big news in

the arts world as well ? The

Opera House, it's no great

secret that the Opera House

isn't the best acoustic venue

in the world. The recital

centre in Melbourne is supposed

to be a preferred vein you by

many visiting artists so

richard Evans wanted to spend

$900 million to improve it, get

it all fichd. The son of the

original architect was out

here, is out here, and he

really did approve changes and

there he is there on the

'Financial Review' holding up

his hand looking smiley but

what he's had to come to

Richard Evans is to cut down,

he's not going get $900

million, no way in the world so

he's now getting $100 million

and that is to move the trucks

from the forecourt to

underneath because he's worried

about hitting patrons as trucks

move the gear in and out. It is

noticeable that all the

delivery trucks do goifr over

the forecourt and to the side

of the Opera House to make

those deliveries. It would be

great if they can do it

somewhere else but it seems extraordinary it seems it's

going to cost that. It is a lot

of money and going to continue

having taxies that go through

that as you would expect

because people need taxis

especially those a little

infirm. Some day lit happen,

that is actually making the

opera theatre sound good You

have a very cute story for us

apparently from the 'Herald

Sun'. This is an extraordinary

story. I love animal stories as

you know. Look at the

photograph on the left. Look at

the photograph on the left and

what this was, a photographer

in the Antarctic who left his

camera and he saw the penguin

go and look through the view

finder and the other two in the

front were blow me down if

they're not posing. Then look

on the right. The photo on

right side and he said the

penguins came up to him when he

went back to the lense and look

at the flipper. He's got his

flipper around the one next to

him. They have not been

digitalally altered. No they

haven't. Makes you think that

'Happy Feet' wasn't that far

from the truth. A reminder that

you can watch all of News

Breakfast streamed life every

morning Address is - Now with

sport here is Paul Kennedy. Thank you. Good

morning. Australia fast bowler

Brett Lee is injured again and

may retire from Test cricket.

His sore elbow was playing up

during intalts one-day game on

Sunday. To Formula One and

Mercedes Benz has bought a

large share in the Brawn GP

team which means it will be a

major player for the next

couple of years. It hasn't

announced its driver line-up.

Jenson Button may go to the

Ferrari. And now the gridiron.

There's a quick conversion and

just want you to keep an eye on

the coach. The famous coach of

the patots now as he charges

off the field. And that's the

security guard. Watch what he

does to the come ra up the top

there, that's angry. Get out

the way. He's not happy with

losing his man who usually wins

games. That's why he's

famous That's right. Thank you

for. That here's Paul Higgins

with a look at the

weather? Thank you.

Thunderstorms rolled through

snot sphooe last night. There

wasn't much rain with them but

there was some spectacular

lightening which we'll show you

in the next hour but a hot day

for Queensland before a weak

change in the south. Showers

and storms along the south-east

cost and in the gulf, in bliz

thundery otavern. Showers on

the central and southern coast of NSW this morning and afternoon thunder in the north-east.

Still ahead on News Breakfast

we'll be keeping an rye on the

story from the Melbourne's

royal children hospital where

conjoined Bangladeshi twins are

being separated. They'll enter

their 23rd hour of surgery. They started the operation

yesterday at 8:30 and it's

still going to stay with us on

News Breakfast. We'll be back shortly.

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The marathon operation to

separate conjoined Bangladeshi

twins enters its 23rd hour. The

Federal Government's proposed Emissions Trading Scheme goes

before the Senate today. Barack

Obama presses China on the

issue of fre