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Swine flu 'could kill 6,000' this year


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: The toll keeps rising, with the Government now saying that up to 6,000
people could die from swine flu this year.

Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon describes it as a worst case scenario, but says it's a number
experts agree on.

Pregnant women are being urged to be extra careful, with a number of expectant mothers in intensive
care with swine flu.

Michael Troy reports.

MICHAEL TROY, REPORTER: The national toll from swine flu has risen to 29, with pregnant women the
latest group advised to take extra precautions.

PREGNANT WOMAN: I'm not scared - not worried at all.

PREGNANT WOMAN II: There is many other precautions with pregnancy that I'm more focused on at the
moment than a cold.

MICHAEL TROY: Not all pregnant women have been so fortunate, with six in Sydney recently put on
life support after contracting swine flu.

BILL RAWLINSON, VIROLOGIST: We know that very high temperatures that go with influenza can cause
severe problems in the baby.

KERRY CHANT, NSW CHIEF HEALTH OFFICER: We really want to get out the message that pregnancy is a
risk factor, and it's really important that pregnant patients seek care.

MICHAEL TROY: The advice is that expectant mothers should avoid crowds and seek immediate treatment
if they suspect they may have some of the symptoms.

KERRY CHANT: If they could prioritise their own health at this very important time, I think that's
incredibly important - to seek care early.

MICHAEL TROY: The World Health Organisation has now described the spread of the virus as
unstoppable and it's unclear how bad it will get here.

Yesterday, an estimate of 10,000 to 20,000 deaths from swine flu was described by Health Minister
Nicola Roxon as ludicrous. However, this morning the numbers were not so distant.

NICOLA ROXON, HEALTH MINISTER: Well, we've made public the projections that are based on this
disease and the best advice we currently have. That is if no medical interventions were taken, so
if there were no anti-viral treatments and if there were no vaccine, that we could expect around
6,000 deaths across the country.

MICHAEL TROY: The Health Minister stresses this would be a worst-case scenario, but there's no
doubt it's an exceptional flu season.

ALAN HAMPSON, INFLUENZA SPECIALIST GROUP: Well, given that we normally see something like 1,500 to
2,000 deaths a year, I think we could expect maybe a doubling or maybe a further increase over and
above that.

MICHAEL TROY: In a normal year, flu claims mainly elderly victims. It's the death of young,
otherwise healthy people that has authorities around the world worried and urging precautions.

The death of a six-year-old girl in Britain has sparked panic there and fast-tracked a vaccination

ANDY BURNHAM, BRITISH HEALTH SECRETARY: By the end of this year we expect to have around 50- to
60-million doses of vaccine, so enough to put in place a very serious program of vaccination.

MICHAEL TROY: Britain is the hardest-hit nation in Europe, with 10,000 confirmed cases and 17

The Australian Government says if the virus takes a turn for the worse here, then they too will
consider bypassing human trials, distributing a vaccine as quickly as possible.

China attacks 'interference' over Hu arrest

LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: The Chinese Government has lashed at out at what it calls 'international
interference' in the Stern Hu case.

The Rio Tinto executive was arrested 11 days ago, accused of stealing state secrets.

But a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman says actions taken against Mr Hu are proper and lawful.

QIN GANG, CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN (voiceover translation): We also firmly oppose anyone
deliberately stirring this matter up and trying to interfere in China's judicial independence,
harming the healthy and stable development of Sino-Australian relations.

LEIGH SALES: Tonight, the US Government will intervene where the Australian Government has so far
been reluctant to tread, raising the matter directly with the Chinese Premier, Wen Jiabao. The US
Commerce Secretary says Mr Hu's arrest is of great concern to American investors.

GARY LOCKE, US COMMERCE SECRETARY: We need to have transparency. We need to have assurances and
confidence that people working for these multinational companies, international companies, American
companies, will be treated fairly. So this needs to be raised with the Chinese.

STEPHEN SMITH, FOREIGN MINISTER: If the United States wishes to raise this matter with China, that
in the first instance isn't entirely a matter for them. But it does make the point, which I have
made previously and the Prime Minister made yesterday, that the international business community
and nation states who do business in and with China will follow this matter closely.

LEIGH SALES: The Opposition says the US Government is doing more for an Australian citizen than the
Prime Minister.

Iran plane crash killed 2 Australians


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: It's been confirmed that two Australians from New South Wales - a brother
and sister in their 20s - are among the victims of a plane crash in north-western Iran.
One-hundred-and-sixty-eight people were killed in the crash.

Australian officials are working with local authorities to arrange for the bodies of the
Australians to be returned home.

STEPHEN SMITH, FOREIGN MINISTER: Our officials are in very close contact with Iranian officials -
we have an embassy in Tehran - satisfying ourselves that there are no more Australians on the

LEIGH SALES: The Caspian Airways plane caught fire in the air and crashed outside a village
north-west of Tehran shortly after take-off. It was heading for Armenia.

The first rescuers on the scene said the force of the impact meant there was no chance of

Republicans question Palin's value


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Six months after Barack Obama swept to victory in the US, the Republicans
are still looking beaten.

The party, which had laid claim to the moral high ground for decades, has suffered some serious

And there are more questions about whether Sarah Palin, once considered the party's future, is
perhaps more of a liability.

North America correspondent Lisa Millar reports.

MARK SANFORD, SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR: So the bottom line is this: I've been unfaithful to my wife.
I developed a relationship with a - what started out as a dear, dear friend from Argentina.

JOHN ENSIGN, SENATOR: Last year, I had an affair.

SARAH PALIN, ALASKAN GOVERNOR: I will not seek re-election as Governor.

LISA MILLAR, REPORTER: Three Republicans, all possible Presidential candidates, delivering three
political bombshells to a party still reeling from its massive defeat in November

JOHN BATCHELOR, WABC RADIO HOST: They've got to clean up their act - that's the first thing. What
we don't have right now is a reason to be a Republican, which is why I think the party's dying. In
fact, it might be dead.

LISA MILLAR: John Batchelor is a nationally syndicated radio host. A conservative, he's watched in
horror at the tumbling fortunes of the Republicans.

JOHN BATCHELOR: Sanford is a disgrace, and chiefly he's a disgrace because he abused liberty. He
abused the woman in Argentina, he abused his family, he abused the state that he serves because he

LISA MILLAR: That's Mark Sanford, the South Carolina Governor who flew to Argentina to meet his
lover but told his wife and staff he was going hiking. Caught out, he found solace in the Bible.

MARK SANFORD: I've been doing a lot of soul searching on that front, and what I find interesting is
the story of David and the way in which he fell mightily, fell in very, very significant ways, but
then picked up the pieces and built from there. And it really began with first of all a larger
quest that I think are well expressed in the Book of Psalms on the notion of humility.

LISA MILLAR: And then there was Senator John Ensign, whose parents paid cash to his mistress, who
happened to be his best friend's wife. His friend went public with the tangled tail.

DOUG HAMPTON, HUSBAND: Close friends - we've been close friend a long time, very close while we
live here in Nevada. And while living in the house, Cindy and John got together.

LISA MILLAR: And the last of the three bombshells: the resignation of the high-profile Alaskan
Governor Sarah Palin.

SARAH PALIN: And though it may be tempting and more comfortable to just kind of keep your head down
and plod along and appease those who are demanding, "Hey, just sit down and shut up." But that's a
worthless, easy path. That's a quitter's way out. And I think a problem in our country today is
apathy. It would be apathetic to just kind of hunker down and go with the flow. We're fishermen; we
know that only dead fish go with the flow.

LISA MILLAR: In a rambling 18-minute monologue, the failed vice-presidential candidate attempted to
put it in perspective.

SARAH PALIN: Let me go back quickly to a comfortable analogy for me, and that's sports -
basketball. And I use it because you are naive if you don't see a full court press from the
national level picking away right now a good point guard. Here's what she does: she drives through
a full court press, protecting the ball, keeping her head up because she needs to keep her eye on
the basket. And she knows exactly when to pass the ball so that the team can win.

LISA MILLAR: Two days later, she went fishing with the media.

JOURNALIST: Are you running for President in 2012?

SARAH PALIN: Don't know what the future holds. I'm not going to shut any door that - who knows what
doors open? Can't predict what the next fish run's going to look like.

LISA MILLAR: And gave the late night comedians more fodder.

DAVID LETTERMAN, 'THE LATE SHOW': Sarah Palin is - you know, she's stepping down. And then the next
day, there was footage of her, she went fishing. And I thought, "Well, that's pretty good." But now
here's the point. But now here's the point: is it just me, or is anybody else having naughty
thoughts about Sarah Palin in those waders?

LISA MILLAR: Laughs aside, Sarah Palin's resignation does underscore the party's woes. It's
approval ratings remain low and it has just 18 months to turn those around. That's when the
mid-term Congressional elections will be held - its first big test, where it needs to regain the
ground it's lost over the last years.

John Batchelor doesn't think that will happen, blaming veterans of the party like former speaker
Newt Gingrich for holding it back.

JOHN BATCHELOR: What we see are these characters on television telling us about conservatism
-telling us demagogic remarks about what's wrong with Sotomayor, what's wrong with Barack Obama.
That's not the Republican Party. That's not anybody's party. And in fact, I wish this Republican
Party would admit that it was dead. Because that would be its first honest statement in several

LISA MILLAR: But the party's loyal believers won't be delivering that message. They're confident
the comeback has already begun.

Kristol discusses state of US conservatism


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Joining us now live from Washington is Bill Kristol, one of America's most
influential conservatives and the editor of the Washington-based political magazine The Weekly

Welcome to the program, Mr Kristol.


LEIGH SALES: We heard John Batchelor in that story sounding very pessimistic about the state of the
Republican Party. What's your view?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Well, the Republicans took two bad defeats in 2006 and 2008 and they've been
reeling a little bit. On the other hand, they're ahead in the two gubernatorial races that will be
decided this November. Two states that President Obama carried, New Jersey and Virginia - that
right now, the polls have the Republican gubernatorial candidates ahead. But right now, the polls
show President Obama's popularity to descend to Earth, really. The honeymoon is over. His
healthcare and his cap-and-trade proposals are not doing very well in Congress. So I think the
Republicans are actually in reasonably good shape given, you know, that they had a very tough time
in the last part of the Bush Administration.

LEIGH SALES: They've still got a lot of ground to make up, though, even if Obama's numbers are
softening. Where is the Republican Party's Ronald Reagan for the 21st Century?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Well, you know, everyone would like the answer to that question, but that's why we
have competition - that's why we have primaries. And I think it's a mistake for people to sit here
three-and-a-half years before election day, and I think this would be the same in Australian
politics. Incidentally, before John Howard began his huge run as Prime Minister, people were
saying, "Where's the new conservative leaders?" You know, you don't know ahead of time and the same
with your current Prime Minister. You don't know ahead of time. Let them compete. You know, a lot
of people are counting Sarah Palin out. I don't. She's awfully popular and attractive. She has
challenges and she'll have to rise to the occasion. Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the house,
is impressive. There's some young Governors - Mitt Romney, who ran for President last time, Mitch
Daniels, the Governor of Indiana - very successful, re-elected by 18 points in a state that Barack
Obama, a Democrat, carried. So, I think there are plenty of leaders, but you know, let them compete
- let them prove themselves.

LEIGH SALES: I'll come to Sarah Palin in some more detail later. But can I ask first: what do you
think the Republican Party needs to do to regain some momentum?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Well, I think it needs to oppose those of President Obama's policies that deserve
to be opposed, and I think there's a lot of resistance to a massive, big spending healthcare plan
that would now have a big tax increase in it in the middle of a recession. There's a lot of
resistance to cap and trade, which is, I think, a pretty crazy way, frankly, to go about dealing
with climate change, if you want to deal with that. In foreign policy, Republicans have supported
President Obama in certain efforts: increasing the number of troops in Afghanistan, for example -
responsible withdrawal from Iraq, instead of a hasty one. But there are foreign policy weaknesses,
too. You know, the party's just got to - Obama's in the driver's seat. You know, people can sit
around forever and say, "What should the Conservatives do?," and we can do a lot of navel gazing
and a lot of theorising, which is fine, I'm for that, and develop new ideas. But at the end of the
day, the political agenda for the next couple of years will be set by President Obama and the
Democratic Congress. Republicans will have to decide what to oppose and what to support.

But actually, I do think that what the polls show most interestingly is this: the American public
got sick of the Republican Party, sick of President Bush, sick of the Republican Congressional
leaders. They like President Obama; they elected Barack Obama in November. They didn't apparently
change their mind fundamentally, though, on issues of how big government should be, how high taxes
should be, do we have great confidence and a bigger welfare state? The American public remains
moderately conservative on a lot of those issues, the polls suggest. They don't like the Republican
Party, but they haven't become big government social democrats of a European type. So, I think as
long as the Republican Party can find some new leaders, the American public remains open to a
moderately conservative message.

LEIGH SALES: I'll get your thoughts on the Obama administration so far a little later, but let's
stick with the conservative side for now and just talk about Sarah Palin briefly. There have been
all sorts of theories as to why she resigned as Alaskan Governor. What do you think?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: We had a good piece on this in The Weekly Standard. My colleague spoke to her for
about half an hour. I think what she said is true. She was being harassed by these endless ethics
complaints which were taking up her time, her staff's time, putting her in debt, actually. She had
accomplished most of what she was going to accomplish in her two-and-a-half years as Governor. And
I think she is interested in running for national office, and Alaska's a long way away, and she
wants to travel the country, campaign for Republicans. I think she wants to study up more on
national and international issues. It's a little hard to do when you're full-time Governor of
Alaska. So I think it's a reasonable decision that she's made. It's a gamble. And she's going to
have to prove herself. You know, a lot of people, a lot of pundits, don't like her and they sit
here in Washington and write her out. You know, I think that's silly. She has a lot of support. In
the polls right now, she's a co-frontrunner with two or three other people for the Republican
Presidential nomination. You wouldn't bet on her, necessarily, but I wouldn't bet against her.
She's got a real natural political talent. But we'll see. She'll have to prove herself. The good
thing about the American system - it's true of your system too - is, you know, people - it's
competitive. Politicians have to prove themselves. If she's not up to it, she's not going to be the
Republican nominee. The mood of Republicans is to have a serious, competent person to oppose Obama
in 2012, and we'll now see all these candidates compete for that mantle over the next couple of

LEIGH SALES: We heard part of her press conference in that story, and the reporter said it had been
described as rambling. What did you think of it?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: You know, I rather liked it. I mean, she wrote her own statement. It wasn't the
most beautifully crafted, elegant, speechwriter-produced, professionally-marketed statement, but it
seems to me, frankly, if a liberal had made a statement like that, people would have said, "You
know, it's great - it's refreshing to have someone right her own stuff and be honest and
straightforward and not be totally packaged." The liberal media here are so hostile to Governor
Palin, that she has a kind of - she speaks her mind and it's described as rambling. I think most
people who saw it thought it was a perfectly reasonable statement. She didn't - I mean, the idea
that you package her, frankly, with a governor and a senator with personal scandals - there's no
scandal with what Governor Palin has done. Quite the contrary - people rather admire her personal
life. So there's something a little bit, I think, typical, frankly, of the liberal media here in
America, at least. They want - the Republican Party's in terrible shape, two of them are having
personal scandals, and Governor Palin has chosen to step down early as Governor, handing off the
governorship to a very competent Lieutenant Governor who was also elected, who's also a Republican,
is no great disaster for the people of Alaska. So I think she's in pretty good shape.

LEIGH SALES: You are considered one of her greatest backers. What is it that you find appealing
about her as a potential political leader?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: I think she's intelligent. I agree with her on most issues. I think she would be
strong, pretty populist conservative leader. And one problem the Republican Party has had is that
it's considered the party of big business, of Wall Street - not in touch with middle-class America.
And she is in touch with middle-class America. She's worked with Democrats in the last because
she's taken on the big oil companies. She's a little more of a populist, I think, in a responsible
way. There are obviously irresponsible forms of populism - protectionism, nativism - but she had
not embraced those. I think - so on the issues I rather agree with her. As a person, I don't know
her that well, but I like her and respect what she's accomplished, obviously. She's very young and
she's had a pretty meteoric rise, and she's made it herself, you know - she's not the son of
governor, she's not the son of anyone. She's not the daughter of a governor or the daughter of some
- didn't go to the most prestigious universities. She made it up in a kind of classic American
success story. Now maybe she's reached as high as she's going to reach, you know. We don't know
that. People didn't think Ronald Reagan was up to it, when he was a former actor and a right winger
and then he lost his presidential bid in 1976 and everyone said, "He's finished." So you don't
know. I'm not touting her - I'm not saying everyone should get behind her. I'm saying give her a

LEIGH SALES: Would you be comfortable with her as President of the United States in 2012?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I like to see what she does over the next two and a
half, three years. But I think her instincts are good, her judgement on issues is good. She had a
very intelligent op-ed in The Washington Post just the other day on President Obama's energy Bill.
So I have - she's a strong internationalist in foreign policy, a free trader, believes in a strong
American will in the world. Yeah, I'd be comfortable with her.

LEIGH SALES: Has she perhaps taken Hillary Clinton's role as the most polarising political figure
in America?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Yeah, that could be. But, you know, Hillary Clinton did pretty well. She got
22-million votes running for the Democratic nomination - almost beat Obama - and now she's
Secretary of State. So, sometimes you can be polarising and still do pretty well in politics.

LEIGH SALES: Along with Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney has been the most prominent Republican on the
national stage since the Obama victory. Has that been helpful?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: You know, the conventional wisdom when he emerged to defend his record on some of
the war on terror issues was, "Oh my God, the Republicans are rolling out Dick Cheney. He's so
unpopular." But the public aren't idiots, you know, and they can distinguish whether they
personally are fond of Dick Cheney, whether they want him to be president, which isn't going to
happen. But whether they think he's a serious guy who in the instances he's intervened has done a
pretty good job, pretty effective job, of defending policies which he supported at the time and
continues to support. And indeed, President Obama has had to reverse himself on a fair number of
his war on terror policies.

So I think some of the pundits over think these things. Dick Cheney's not on the ballot in 2010. On
the debate on interrogation techniques, on whether - on closing Guantanamo and that sort of thing,
it's not clear to me that Dick Cheney isn't closer to a majority of the American public than Barack

LEIGH SALES: Speaking of Dick Cheney, leading Democrats are pressuring Barack Obama to hold
investigations into some of the Bush-era security programs on the back of revelations that
vice-president Cheney hid from Congress a highly classified counter-terrorism program. Do you think
those sorts of formal investigations are likely to happen?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: No, I don't think so, and I think today's newspapers, which suggest - which the
current Obama-appointed director of National Intelligence says he doesn't think anyone did anything
wrong. He didn't think the program ever became operational - Congress didn't have to be briefed.
That suggests to me that the Obama Administration doesn't actually think there was any great - I
mean, there may have been a judgment call about exactly how much you brief Congress, but that there
was any great violation of the law. So I suspect nothing much will happen. I don't think anyone
wants to go back to that. And, look, I think Dick Cheney's view on that is if you want to have -
I'm sure they made mistakes, and even Dick Cheney will admit they might have made mistakes. But, if
you want to have a big debate over the last seven years and who kept the country safe, and whether
it is reasonable or unreasonable to try to assassinate top Al Qaeda leaders, which seems to be what
that secret program was about. I don't think that's a debate Republicans will shrink from.

LEIGH SALES: How do you rate President Obama's performance overall so far?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Very ambitious in domestic policy. I myself don't agree with some of the programs,
but, you know, I give him credit for really trying to advance a liberal agenda. I think it's
difficult to do that in a recession. If I were advising him, I might say, "Look, why don't you
focus on fixing the recession, fixing the economy, fixing the financial system," which he did
inherit a mess in, there's no question. It's fair for him to blame the preceding administration and
all of that. And I think he would have a lot of leeway from the public and he could say it would
take a long time and let's not be impatient and people would say, "You're probably right." His
problem is at the same time that we're in this very bad recession with a, close to a meltdown of
the financial system, he's trying to pass a massive healthcare plan and a massive energy plan. And
I think a lot of the public are saying, you know, "Can't we wait and do that in a couple of years?
Let's make sure we get the economy settled first." And I think that's a sensible reaction myself.
So I think he may have just tried to do too much in domestic policy. We'll see. Now if you're a
liberal, you say, "This is the moment - this is the crisis." Rahm Emanuel, his chief of staff,
famously said, "Never let a crisis go to waste," and maybe you try to do it all at once. And, you
know, that's a tactical political decision. He's entitled to try. I think he's running into some
problem with moderate Democrats in domestic policy. In foreign policy, I think he's adjusted in
certain ways that I approve of. You know, he is the President of the United States, and once the
campaign rhetoric ends, most Presidents end up pursuing the more traditional American foreign
policy with a pretty active role in the world, living up to our responsibilities, I hope, defending
free trade. Obama toyed with protectionism during the campaign. He seems to have walked away from
that. As I say, he's increasing our troop strength in Afghanistan. I think he's behaving
responsibly in Iraq. I have my criticisms of some things he said, and, you know, some details of
some policies, but I think on the whole in foreign policy, he's been not as different from
President Bush, apart from the sort of atmosphere, as people expected.

LEIGH SALES: What did you think of his speech in Cairo on Middle East peace?

WILLIAM KRISTOL: You know, I wasn't crazy about it, but I suppose I would say this: if they think
in a hard-headed way that giving such a speech really gains the US a lot of popularity and some
more running room and an ability to persuade people, that's fine. I'm a little worried that some of
the people around President Obama seem more concerned about boosting President Obama's reputation
than that of the United States. And sometimes he boosts his own reputation by seeming to apologise
for things that the United States has done, and I think often incorrectly apologising. But, the
truth of it is it's not going to matter much, you know. Foreign policy is about what you do more
than what you say, and we have to deal with Iran, we have to deal with Afghanistan, we have to deal
with the Israeli-Palestinian issues. How we deal with those, how he deals with those, is how he'll
be judged. If the speech helps him, gives him a little more leeway, a little more credibility, I
don't mind that. I would say, he gave a speech talking about human rights and democracy in the
Middle East, which I'm a strong advocate of, and then a month later - well, eight days later -
there was an election in Iran that was clearly stolen and there was thuggishness and violence and
repression in the streets. And I think he was much too hesitant to speak up on behalf of the
dissidents and Democrats in Iran. This is where the action is now: in Iran. You have a real fissure
in the regime - a real chance to make the Middle East safer and to help the people of Iran. And I
think he's been too hesitant in that respect.

LEIGH SALES: William Kristol, we're very glad that you could make time to speak to an Australian
audience. Thank you so much for coming in.

WILLIAM KRISTOL: Thank you. Good luck.

Violence continues in Melbourne's west suburbs


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: The media storm in India may have died down, but violence is still a
problem in Melbourne's western suburbs. Victoria Police have been sending high-profile teams,
including officers on horseback, to train stations like Sunshine and Footscray, where Indian
students have been attacked. The police union and local residents groups have long been calling for
more police in the western suburbs, and late at night on the weekends, Victoria Police are
delivering, for now. Lateline's Rafael Epstein went on patrol with some of the officers.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN, REPORTER: Late on Friday night in Melbourne's west and they're on the train
platforms on horseback. Operations like this are all about showing a presence. There are more of
them on the streets than any normal start to the weekend.

As the crowds stream back from the footy, undercover officers arrest someone who's been hassling
passengers for the last few hours.

Minutes before this, he was nearly run over by a bus.

One police veteran is happy to be on patrol after decades in the force.

Hard to get into?

POLICE OFFICER: No, not really.


POLICE OFFICER: I've been there about 30 years.

TEENAGER: Hey, I'm here, safe with the police right here, man. Come to Footscray. Footscray for

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: The train station has the usual mix of teenagers on their way to the city, others
late on their way home from work - all watched over by officers from Operation Safe Streets.

ADAM SPRY, VICTORIA POLICE: Highly visible police presence on the rail stations and transport hubs
and things like that to - just to reassure the public that it's safe to travel on the trains. And
there's also a bit of a covert police presence as well. So, you know, those of us you can see and
those of us that you can't.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: The local MP is here. She'd asked to go on patrol with the police.

MARSHA THOMPSON, LABOR MP: It's an important issue for us to combat, but it's also important that
violence of any form - whether it's around the railway stations and to whomever - has got to stop.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: For the officers who know Footscray, as they drive, they tell the ABC a little
about the people they see on the streets.

POLICE OFFICER: Serious assaults - he stabbed another girl and broke her arm and did all sorts of
untoward things to her. Bit her on the face.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: There are 35,000 Indian students studying in Victoria. Education is the state's
biggest export industry. And the people who buy that product seem reasonably confident that things
are improving.

INDIAN STUDENT: Yeah, it's getting better.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: Why do you think it's getting better?

INDIAN STUDENT: Because every night we come here, usually, and there's no like before.

INDIAN STUDENT II: Yeah, yeah, it's gotten better now. Than before, it's better now.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: In February, in this subway beneath Sunshine Station, a 23-year-old Indian student
was kicked in the head until he was unconscious. Three young locals have been charged.

Many here don't believe that Indian students are being singled out.

What did you make of all the stories of the Indian students getting beaten up and bashed and

YOUNG WOMAN: That's their fault. I don't like them - I don't care. Everybody gets bashed - who
cares? Nothing to protest about.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: So you think it's happening to everyone?

YOUNG WOMAN: Yeah, everybody gets bashed. ... Fucking Indians are very, like, you know, vicious
themselves, bro'. They, like, grab train-track rocks and, like, chuck it at you and that.

YOUNG WOMAN II: Who cares about them.

YOUNG WOMAN: Indians are pretty, pretty bad, too.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: On the trains between stations the undercover narcotics officers are on patrol.

This is primarily about police targeting criminals, but these sorts of images are also what police
would like to see on Indian news channels - all 70 of them across that country. And it's also
something that government ministers can talk about when they travel to India over the next few

Ali and Harun are from Pakistan. They say the police are making a difference, but can't possibly
have enough officers to deal with what they say is a massive crime problem.

ALI: Normally in the weekends' time, when some incident, kind of junkies, hit somebody, the police
can't reach the centre because there are so many incidents on the same time. They have not enough
amount of police officers to cover all the areas during that time. And they have to increase their
forces to work on that situation. Yeah, I feel safer, feel secure, and we have something or
somebody there to help us.

RAFAEL EPSTEIN: Arrests like this are common, though they may do little to solve the long-term
problems. But the local Labor MP says it all makes a difference.

MARSHA THOMPSON: I've spoken to a couple of parents who are thinking of sending their son to study
here, and they came to check for themselves whether Melbourne was a good place, because they were
concerned. And they're sending their son. So next year their son will commence studying here.

Chechnya documentarian murdered in Russia


LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: A leading Russian human-rights worker who documented kidnappings and
killings in Chechnya has been murdered.

Natalia Estemirova was investigating hundreds of alleged cases of abuse by Russian troops or
militias. Human-rights monitors say she was an important source of information about events in the

TANYA LOKSHINA, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: With Natasha gone - frankly, we won't be able to get
information from Chechnya.

LEIGH SALES: The Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, says he's outraged by the murder.

Natalia Estemirova was kidnapped in Grozny yesterday. Her bodies found hours later, dumped in
neighbouring Ingushetia.