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stories again: Equine

influenza is spreading panic

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thoroughbred industry. 15

racehorses in Sydney have

fallen ill and an imported

breeding stallion is also

showing signs of the virus. On

Queensland's Sunshine Coast

dozens have been rescued from

rising floodwaters and

thousands of homes are without

power after the biggest

rainfalls in a century.

Hundreds of prison cells are

being freed up in Sydney as

police prepare for mass arrests

during next month's APEC

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this Friday. Stay with us now

for Stateline with Quentin

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This week - a cliffhanger.

The Australian dream slipping

away and no-one will help.

Rose and I, we were just

absolutely horrified to see

what had happened. What's a

new Australian dream. We

should be what I would call

aspirational nationalist s.

What's that all about? And an

open day at a crematorium and

cemetery. Curiosity item.

Welcome to Stateline New South Wales. I'm Quentin Dempster.

If you've got a problem, call

the Feds. Flushed with a

bulging budget surplus Prime

Minister John Howard this week

committed himself to a new

version of federalism. It's

not centralism, he says; it's

spreetion spreetion, the

Mersey. The aspirational

nationalism. It seems the

Federal Government is now

willing to fund projects and programs which have been

neglected or mismanaged by the

states. In New South Wales

there is a growing list.

Yesterday Federal Opposition

Leader Kevin Rudd respondwide a

policy to take over all 750

public hospitals in Australia

if refors to be negotiated with

the states hadn't been achieved

by 2009. With the states

strapped for cash and now

borrowing heavily for

infrastructure, whether it's

Howard or Rudd in Canberra, if

things aren't working well, who

are you going to call? Call the

Feds. I've often said that

there are two profound

sentiments and trends in

Australia today - localism and

nationalism. We should be

neither centralist s nor

slavish adherents to states'

rights. We should be focused

on outcomes and not systems.

We should be what I would call

separation separation. .

Aspirational nationalists. We

should want and aspire to

achieve the best possible

outcomes for Australians,

wherever they might live and by

whatever method of governance

that will best deliver that

outcome. Some times this will

involve leaving things entirely

to the states. Sometimes it

will involve cooperative

federalism. On other occasions it will require the

Commonwealth bypassing the

states altogether and dealing

directly with local

communities. Two days after

John Howard defined what he

meant by aspirational

nationalism, he was offering

$130 million to improve water

quality in Western Sydney,

coincidentally in the marginal

federal seat of Lindsay. The

offer was conditional on the

Iemma Government contributing.

It's now looking at the offer,

but says it's already investing

$250 million on water recycling

and environmental flows. On

the now disputed Murray-Darling

Basin rescue plan, negotiations

between the Iemma Government

and Canberra remain stalemated

with New South Wales still

complaining the Feds had

reneged on their original

long-term liability deal for

compensation to disadvantaged

irrigators. Some constituents

in marginal Liberal Party

federal seats are now preparing

to exploit John Howard's new

form of federalism. We'll get

to one in the New South Wales

federal seat of Dobell later in the program.

A leaked Royal Australasian

College of Physicians report

into training standards at

shell ha -- at Shellharbour

Hospital in the rapidly growing

area south of Wollongong could

become a test case for

aspirational nationalism.

With the State Government

under budgetary pressure and

the health system dependent on

foreign-trained doctors, there

seems to be an urgent need for

a bit of aspirational

nationalism here. But the

problem may be insoluble

because the Shellharbour

Hospital is in the very safe

Federal Labor seat of Throsby.

Where does all this aspirational nationalism leave

John Howard's State Liberal

Party colleagues trying to

build credibility and relevance

after defeat pe March State

election? With me now is the

leader of the New South Wales

Opposition Barry O'Farrell.

Welcome back to Stateline.

Pleasure. You were at the

Prime Minister's lunch on

Sunday. I take it you support

this. I understand where he

is coming from. Communities

across this State and across

Australia are tired of the

blame game between State and

Federal politicians. They want

the a issues fixed and addressed. If the Prime

Minister is able to meet that

need, terrific. You support

the Mersey Hospital

intervention in Tasmania even

though all the commentators

have criticised it as a piece

of pork-barreling in the face

of the election campaign.

Whether Shellharbour Hospital

or Mersey hospital,. Quentin,

federation would work much

easier if State Labor

governments accepted

responsibility for State

problems. We wouldn't have

federal governments interfering

if state governments actually

deliver the services people

elect them to do. Do you

think it is a bit incongruous.

Mr Howard has huge bulging

budget surplus and New South

Wales is having to borrow to

fund infrastructure. The only

reason New South Wales is

borrowing to fund

infrastructure is because of

wasteful management in this

state. We've never had such revenues. We have nothing to

show. This is a Government

that has received record

revenues, been wasteful with it

and it shouldn't then turn

around and cry poor to the

Federal Government. If you

were Premier, would you hand

over control of this State's

public hospital system to the

Federal Government? I would be

happy to have a debate with any

federal government about a

realignment of some of those

issues over the last 106 years

have god muddy. Whether it's hospitals, private schools,

other issues, let's have that

debate. What we can't have is

a continuation of the blame

game where state governments

won't take responsibility and

understandably you have a

Federal Government that says

we're going to try to fix these

problems for communities. Do

you back Premier Iemma's

complaint that on the

Murray-Darling Basin rescue

package, do you back that the

Federal Government is reneging

on its deal for future

reliability. No e Premier

Iemma needs to accept

responsibility. At some

stage, the State has to accept

responsibility and what the Federal Government is doing in

particular in relation to the

Murray-Darling is acknowledges

that avenue river system that

goes across four states

requires national management.

It's putting billions of

dollars on the table. It's

time that instead of simply

agreeing we there was a no-cost

option, Morris Iemma was also prepared to stump up when it

was in the national and State

interest. But as I understand

it, he is saying that he agreed

to transfer State powers on the

Murray-Darling Basin, but if it

goes beyond the cap, he wants

the Commonwealth to take the

liability. That seems to be

fair. Morris Iemma was the

first State Premier to back

this plan. He has now decided

not to back it. I think it has

more to do with the looming

election campaign than what's

in the best interests of either

the New South Wales public

generally or those people who

rely for their livelihood s on

water coming out of the

Murray-Darling. I think

across Australia we are seeing

State premiers joining the Rudd

chore lust. Once again Labor interest is coming to the fore.

You're nothing D. Where does

it leave State sorvety. Why

don't we get rid of the states

I believe in our federal system

because when it was put

together one ever the central

debates at those constitutional

conventions was about a balance

of power to ensure that no

government had too much power

and through that extra power,

was able to reduce the freedom of citizens in this State and

in this nation. So I think the

federal structure can work. It

needs a bit of re-align menlt

over 106 years because of

changes, but it is

fundamentally sound and it

would be even better if state

governments like the Iemma Government accepted

responsibility, stopped playing

the blame game and got on with

the job they're elected to do.

You can't see any occasion

where you might taik issue with

John Howard treading over your

ritesa rights as a future

Premier of New South Wales.

Absolutely. I said from day

one there will be issues over

which I would have a different

perspective on. Which ones?

IR? I've talked about IR.

I've talk bd the GST share. I think New South Wales should

get a greater GST share. They

ought to do something about

better managing the record revenues we're receiving in New

South Wales. Barry O'Farrell,

thanks very much. A pleasure.

The residents of Cabbage Tree

Bay on the Central Coast

thought Prime Minister John

Howard might like to get

involved in their dispute with

Wyong Council. After all,er

they are in a marginal seat and

they do have a problem, but the

Prime Minister's office said it

wasn't his jurisdiction. What

the residents want is the

council to act to stop the

erosion of the cliff which was

seriously undermined during the

ferocious storms in June. The

residents say the council's lax

of action over the years left

them and their properties

vulnerable when the bad weather

and big seas hit. By Wyong

Council says the residents have

only themselves to blame.

Sharon O'Neill reports. It was

the most devastating form in 30

years, a wild queern's birthday

weekend that wreaked havoc in

the Hunter Valley and the

Central Coast. For these

residents, perched on the cliff

face at Cabbage Tree Bay, the

rain and the huge kaes left a

ominous warning. We had no

queed idea that that would

happen, none at all. We knew that over the period of time there was a problem with the

slope, we've always known that,

but not as dramatic as this.

This was very dramatic. Tony

and Rosa have owned this

property for the past 30 years.

They no longer sleep in the

main bedroom out of fear that

the front of their house is not

stable. Wher we are now

having to sleep in the back

room in a makeshift sort of

situation. We've lost the

lovely front bedroom that we've

slept in for the last 30-odd

years and it's just - we feel

just so uncomfortable and feel

why should this be? For the

Galluddos and their neighbours,

the answer to that question

goes way beyond the wild storms

of June. Landslips at Cabbage

Tree Bay have been a concern to

residents for many years, but

finding a solution has been a

difficult and contentious

process. Who is to blame for

what's happened here? I think

the council is to blame.

Obviously the weather that we

get in all these coastal places

r also is a factor, but the

blame - not so much blame, it's

inaction. It's nothing has been done. This is the draft

report. In June 2000, Wyong

Council wrote to these

residents, outlining a

two-stage strategy to manage

the problem of the deterioration of the cliff

face. Stage 1 involved the

drilling of pipe drains to

control the ground water levels

in the slopes. Stage 2 was to

be the building of a sea wall

which would consist of a

rock-filled toe at the base of

the cliff 120m long. Nine land

owners agreed to jointly

provide $650,000 towards the

cost of stage 2 of the project.

The only thing that was done

by the council was the

dewatering, but at the same

time, they had the agreement of

all the land owners that were

affected to contribute to the

cost of the sea wall and I just

can't understand why they

didn't proceed with it, and we

still, to this day, do not have

a satisfactory answer as to why

that wasn't done. Stage 2,

building the sea wall, was

dependent on the success of

stage 1 and continued funding from the State Government as

well. There was also severe

concerns about the validity of

putting in the sea wall, so

with all those in mind, the

decision was to not move ahead

with the sea wall. Greg White

is Wyong Council's manager of

natural resources. Council is

probably not going to - well,

definitely not going to put a

lot of money into very

expensive and very expensive to

maintain sea walls, because we

are actually using the rest of

the shire's rates to do so. I

think we actually have received

a number of calls from other

residents in the shire almost

congratulating council on the

stance it has taken in this

instance, about not to the put

the sea wall in. I've

travelled all over the world,

up and down the calf

Californian coast and I have no

doubt in my mind that the sea

wall would have protected this

area and we wouldn't be in this

situation that we are today.

The drainage structure

installed by the council was

severely damaged in the storms. Large volumes of stormwater

from the streets above pass through this cliff. To my

mind, the council should have

prepared the toe of the hill,

the toe down at the beach, to

make it stable, as well as

that, to have done adequate

drainage works at the top on

Bunbury Road and behind us,

soldiers Point Road and behind

us again, because we are

actually at the bottom of the

hill where all the water comes through. That's what they

should have done, but they

never did that. We can't

divert the whole of the shire's

rates towards one area. There

are other things such as roads,

rubbish and all sorts of things

to consider. So we're acting

responsibly, trying to do the

best we can, and I can see some

additional future upgrades to

the stormwater, but I think the

advice we've got is that the

recent landslips were caused

primarily by the ground water.

I mean, the whole area is one

large sand dune, it is a very

ancient sand dune, millions of

years old, very weakly

decomment -- very weakly

cemented and there is ground

water moving through it, so the

whole hill is basically a huge

water storage and the water

moving through that hill is

contribute ing towards the

instability. Greg White says

paving bricks and other

structures in the residents'

yards contributed to the

instability of the cliff and

Wyong Council is taking no

responsibility for the damage

that has been caused. The

council has requested the

residents to remove the

structures. The structures are

within the residents' backyards

and they're falling onto lower

portions of the resident s'

backyards, so we are talking

about what's within the

residents' backyards, and if

you take that situation

anywhere else in the shire, if

your retaining wall falls over

into your backyard, you

wouldn't expect council to come

along and clean it up for you.

I think that's a massive

thing to ask of us, impossible,

a massive job. We can't do

that. Can't afford to do it

anyway. The cost of repairing

this damage for the Galluzzos

has been estimated at $180,000.

In the meantime, Wyong Council

has closed the beach and is

paying for two employees to

keep people out. Those

structures are at immediate

risk of collapsing, falling

down to the beach and hurting

people. So council is taking a

due diligence approach and

protecting the safety of the

general public. So what's

that costing? A fair bit.

We've had quotes and we've

sought structural engineers'

reports and assistance, but

they have all said to us,

unless the toe of the

escarpment is stabilised, it is

pointless doing anything on the

cliff face, and we were quite

prepared to do that when we

bought the property and we

thought at that stage that the

second stage would have been

completed by council, but that

hasn't occurred, so we are in

limbo. We are between the

devil and the deep blue sea, so

to speak. A stalemate has

developed between the council

and the residents with the

problem now in the hands of

insurers and solicitors. I'm

afraid that this will end up in

the legal courts and we've

already made moves to do that,

and we believe that a very

large firm of solicitors are

willing to take this on as a

public interest case and if

nothing comes from council or

the State Government within the

next seven days, that's the way

that the land owners in this

area will be moving. Two

months ago, the State

Government offered Wyong

Council financial assistance

for the stable isation of land

at Cabbage Tree Bay. A

spokesman for Phil Koperberg

said a response finally arrived

today asking the Government to

help fund a quote for remedial

work at the base of the cliff.

A very wet Sunday at the

crematorium. It might not be

everybody's idea of a soothing

Sabbath, but when we went along

to open day at Sydney's

Macquarie Park we were

surprised to see just how many

people turned up. The

government-owned, non-profit

cemetery and crematorium is

keen to maintain its share of

the burial and cremation

business and it's the burial

side that seemed to most fascinate the open day

visitors. Here is what our fly

on the wall camera picked up.

An on an open day such as

this, we take people down to

the chapels. It allows people

to go in, have a look, see them

at their best. We then take

them what I call back stage to

where the cremators are and the

staff there take them

tastefully through the process

of what happens when the

curtain does close on a


Still good morning. Thank

you very much. The rain is

pour ing down beautifully. My

name is Tom sweeny . Just a

couple of words of what

Macquarie Park is before we

start. In 1902 it was named

Northern suburbs cemetery and

the first burial took place on

20 April 1922. It was on Crown

land. It is managed by the

Department of Lands in New

South Wales. It will never

ever be outgrown or built upon.

It is here primarily as a

cemetery and crematorium. So

it's here in perp tu wit: Did

perpetuity. So people have

concerns about, "Will my grave

site be here in 40 years time?"

The answer is yes.

Everything that is in this

cemetery is on Crown land and

can only be used for cremations

or burials. No other

development will take place.

The audio visual equipment

is quite extensive, as you can

see, with the screens around

the chapels. We can play

presentations for families, as

far as power point

presentations, media

presentations and we can also

play CDs for different

families. We want you to

relax today and take in all the

things that Macquarie Park has

to offer, whether it be the

chapel, or the park for or the

a facilities and that sort of

thing so you have a great

overview of how the park is is

set up, to support families in

their time of need. That's our

prime objective, to support

anyone, no matter their

culture, rel religion, to

support you in your time of

need. Now we're going to go

back stage, as it were. Ben

will take you back. Once we

get the casket back in on the

transport trolley, we then move

wheel it over the holding

facility which is there. Each

casket has a name plate. I

will check with my paperwork,

with the name plate, make sure

everything is OK. I will sign

that off. Then I remove that

name plate, leave is on top of

the casket. I then put the

casket up into the holding

area. I then use this, which

is a charge trolley. I take

that down in front of the

casket. I wheel the casket

onto the charge trolley. I put

the name plate just in front

over there, so I know who is

getting cremated. People are

able to ask many, many

questions about valuables and

do people get the actual ashes

of their loved ones. People

ask questions about hip

replacement, all the medical

things that occur. Once that

cremation is finished, what we

do is, it will give us an

option at the bottom of the

computer to rate that, which

means there is an eye hole here

and an eye hole down there

which will allow the operator

to see if the cremation is

finished and we can go to rate,

which mean s it's tell ing the

xulter we can finish the

process. There is another

process that will finish off

that. The top chamber will be

hour and a half. The bottom

chamber is another hour half.

Once we rake the top chamber

into the bottom chamber, we

close the door. We rake into

that and then we go into our

ash processing room. We have

quite a big fan that will cool

down the cremated remains.

Once the cremated remains are

cool enough, we put them into a processing machine which

crushes them up and it ends up

in this. Once that's done, it

goes into here. That's the

finished process of the

cremation. We go out the back,

we put two stickers on this.

It's all done by cremation

number. We also engrave the

cremation number on top of the

lid here. Then we have our

storage room which can hold up

to 500 lots of ashes. We then

go and put them into that ash

storage room and then we wait

for the person or family to

request the remains. What we

do is take them out, put

another sticker onto the Bock,

put the ashes into the box and

take up to administration for

the girls to give to the family

members. The ash that is left

is the bones. After three

hours, nothing of the coffin

left. We have the smoke stack.

You will never see smoke come

out of ours. Other crematorium

s do. Ours is all run by

computer. It will sense smoke

straightaway and push it down,

so they are quite

environmentally friendly.

Most people visit the cemetery

and crematorium in moments of

stress or grieve. We wanted to

open up the park to people,

including the ethnic and

religious parts of the park.

There are beautiful monuments

here to various religions and

faiths. That's all good to

know. Now to the regions and

some of the stories outside the

big smoke. Sharon O'Neill


At Tamworth, it was Hey Dad

Week. Hay Day r. Hey Dad is a

pilot parenting program for

Indigenous men and their

families. The Catholic

Church's Centacare community

service says the aim of the

project is to address the

diminishing role of Aboriginal

men in their communities. And

at Brewarrinna, the job of

restoring the Aboriginal and

cultural museum is almost

complete. It was closed five

years ago. When it re-opens,

it will offer visitors the

chance to see what Aboriginal

life was like from the

Dreamtime onwards. Passengers

worried by dangerous drivers

should speak up. That's the

message Atta re-and Gloucester

where the NRMA and local

councils are starting a

campaign called Passengers Die

Too. The campaign will give

passengers ideas and strategies

on how to persuade speeding

drivers to slow down. And

still on the road, after years

of waiting for it, Moree is

looking forward to seeing the

last of trucks lumbering

through the town centre. The

building of a bypass of the

knew well Highway will start in

a few days. A public meeting

at Bermagui called for the Bega

Valley Council to be

investigated by the independent

Commission against corruption.

The meeting was told that the

council's approval of a

resignation residential

subdivision at Mead's Bay was

suspects. The Bega major ways

the council did nothing wrong

and anyway, the final decision

on the development isn't the

council's. It's State Planning

Minister Frank Sartor's call.

And that's Stateline for this

week. This program is repeated

on TV1 at noon on Saturdays and

on TV2 during the week. Kerry

O'Brien will be back with the

'7:30 Report' on Monday.


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