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(generated from captions) THEME MUSIC free speech and religious extremism. In a tragic collision between a beauty pageant gone horribly wrong Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Tonight, from the How is that blasphemy? might have found a woman attractive? To say that the Prophet Mohammed Where does it say it's blasphemy? to kill the junior reporter. calling for Muslims of retribution, a fatwa is declared In an extraordinary act and I'm like, "What is going on?" in the distance I can see smoke and fire all over the place. There's just military fleeing. and send Miss World contestants that leave more than 200 people dead unleashed religious riots 18 words in a newspaper because of something I wrote. out after me, wanting to kill me I have Muslim fundamentalists This was not a good thing to write. the beauty contest winners. from among one of his brides with likely have chosen had he been alive today, That the Prophet Mohammed, She thinks she's being witty. the beauty queens. gets to write about A young reporter in her first job lured to Nigeria. 2002 - the Miss World pageant is

of his Ogoni people to Shell oil. as it handed over the land Nigeria's despotic government Saro-Wiwa opposed to fight for change. inspired a generation of Nigerians Ken Saro-Wiwa The Nigerian activist and writer, We are going to demand our rights... by coming back with that zeal. I'd do something like that Maybe he thought and given them a conscience. and kind of shaken them up and Nigerian government for Nigerian politics who had actually done something journalists, like Ken Saro-Wiwa, and he began to think of other My father eventually got won over Isioma wanted to be a part of it. emerging. that there was a brave new country and believed millions of Nigerians hoped and a dynamic new middle class, With vast oil riches through democratic elections. a new civilian government took power But in 1999, and often violent. corrupt, broken, poor Nigeria is truly a mess - it would get better. and by writing about it, I could write about it if I could go back with journalism, Nigeria's a mess and I thought and try to help her country. But Isioma wanted to come home and make a better life for herself. to stay abroad her parents knew she could find a way Like so many other young Africans, in Great Britain. to go to university for her Isioma's parents scrounged the money my parents would be happy with that. a good compromise - and I thought journalism was to do with words It had to be something Isioma needed a career, not a dream. she had other responsibilities. up in a struggling middle-class home, But as a young African girl growing words, literature. Isioma Daniel loved language, or I wanted to win the Nobel Prize. I wanted to be a professor I wanted to be a writer. Since I was very young, English literature. ISIOMA DANIEL: I wanted to study

a moral indignation. I don't think there was to play politics. I think... the government wanted angry enough about sharia. I don't think Nigeria was against Nigeria's constitution. even though sharia law was religious extremists of the north, It failed to stand up to the Nigerian government. of the secular democratic but more so by the reaction by the sentence of Lawal Isioma Daniel was shocked covering the story, As a young reporter until Lawal finished breastfeeding. The sentence was commuted for having a child out of wedlock. by stoning Lawal was sentenced to death such as limb amputations. extreme punishments, an Islamic code that often calls for under strict sharia law, Nigeria's northern states operate of the world. Lawal's plight captured the sympathy led her to the case of Amina Lawal. Isioma's new fascination with Nigeria and their problems. stories about real Nigerians wasn't always so interested in, to cover the stories the newspaper or that she subsidised her own travel without a pay cheque that she went for weeks to tell her parents but Isioma didn't want It seemed prestigious in Lagos, 'This Day'. at the highest circulation newspaper She landed at a job Isioma Daniel went home. At the age of 21, we can't allow this to continue. the feeling of... and it's what pulls me back - what's pulling Isioma Daniel back And I think...I imagine that's from any other country in Africa. It's very different There IS something about Nigeria. to help fix the country. would want to go back idealistic African like Isioma Daniel He understands why a young but he returns often to Nigeria. now lives in Toronto also an activist and writer, His son, Ken Wiwa, the military dictatorship fell. four years before in a show trial Saro-Wiwa was executed to civilian rule. He never got to see Nigeria returned

Yeah, to go to Nigeria. And I think they should go back there again! Briton Julia Morley has run the Miss World pageant since her wealthy husband died and left it to her. Morley had thought she could turn it into something a bit less sexist. Her motto was "Beauty with a purpose". But not many people were willing to accept that a beauty pageant isn't degrading. In this day and age, you don't have lots of choices when you have a beauty pageant. People aren't lining up anymore to beg you to come to their fair city. At least, not people from first-world countries. 'Vanity Fair' magazine had some of the best access To go to Nigeria? (Laughs) the Miss World was perfectly chosen! in this country", if we're going to progress paradoxes and unconstitutional laws "Look, we can't have these kinds of wants to stand up and say, You know, for me, as somebody who the idea was progressive. Many Nigerians actually thought of Ramadan. in the middle of the holy month host a Miss World beauty pageant ..the sort of country that could to the world as a modern place... Obasanjo was anxious to show Nigeria the human-rights abuses in the north, Under criticism for not stopping and political power to the south. in transferring some of the economic not to go too far but also to warn him internationally not only to embarrass Obasanjo Sharia was, in a sense, an attempt to set up sharia courts. and allowed them fundamentalists of Nigeria's powerful Muslim but his critics say he was afraid of civil rights Obasanjo promised a new age under President Olusegun Obasanjo. took power in 1999 The new civilian government as a national leader. and wanting to be seen to please everybody and the President wanting between the north and the south because of the tensions It was more of a political situation

to the elusive Julia Morley. Judy Bachrach was the magazine's reporter. She got Morley to confess her personal feelings about Nigeria. She thought it was a dreadful place, full of poverty, full of disease and full of strife. She was not wrong in any of these beliefs but when you're offered a great deal of money and a big welcome from the president of the country as well as his wife, it's very easy to overlook these matters and they were going to offer her something like $8 million. In return, she was going to take the pageant all over Nigeria and particularly to the capital, Abuja and the girls were going to show what a gorgeous place Nigeria was, the beautiful waterfalls, the lovely basket-weaving contests, the wonderful music and make Nigeria into a garden spot for tourism. This did not exactly work out as planned. Reaction to the pageant in southern Nigeria was mixed. The event was exciting but to spend $8 million in order to show their broken country as a tourist destination seemed excessive, especially to Isioma Daniel. I remember sitting on the bus on the way to work after having to struggle to get onto this bus and get my seat on it. We were stuck in the traffic jam and the whole road, all the streets were flooded. When I left home, there had been a power cut. On the way, I could see children begging and people selling food on the streets and there was a man trying to earn some money from the floods by ferrying people on his back from one end of the expressway to the other end. Julia Morley thought she might help to fix Nigeria's poverty but she admitted freely to reporters she knew nothing about the case of Amina Lawal and she thought "sharia" was a girl's name. She was totally ignorant. The word is ignorant. And she herself is very upfront about that. She said to me, and this is a quote, "I am the asshole here." She had no knowledge that the country was pretty evenly divided between Muslims and Christians and that the two factions were often at each other's throats and that the sight of very beautiful women in very tiny skirts and very low-cut blouses would enrage Muslims during the holy month of Ramadan. Novelist Salman Rushdie has for years been the outspoken spoiler of Muslim fundamentalism and he's paid dearly for it. As critics inside and outside Nigeria condemn pageant organisers for insulting the country's Muslim population, especially during Ramadan, Rushdie defends them. It may be dumb to take a beauty contest to a Muslim country but Nigeria's not supposed to be a Muslim country, you know? I mean, Muslims have started wars during Ramadan. It's not a question of what you can and can't do during the month of fasting. A number of wars were fought during the month of fasting which were started by Muslim countries. You know - this is a beauty contest. That's a war. The beauty queens themselves were not sure about the choice of Nigeria. In traditional beauty-contest culture, young women are usually trained not to question authority. But Morley's "Beauty with a purpose" had attracted a few young contestants with minds of their own, like Miss Canada, Lynsey Bennett. She did what only a few other beauty queens did - she researched the country. It wasn't a very stable place. Um, I knew it was a very corrupt place as well. And I was just... it didn't really make sense to me why you would have a beauty pageant in a country like this. As they learned about sharia law and the Amina Lawal case, some beauty queens chose to boycott the event. Lynsey Bennett considered doing the same but in the end decided to go. You kind of had to weigh it back and forth. If I didn't go it means I would no longer represent Canada outside of the Miss World pageant which means I would lose my title altogether. A group of the more ambivalent beauty queens, including Lynsey Bennett, figured out a compromise. They would go to the contest, but only as an opportunity to protest the Amina Lawal case. As all the countries together, we decided to collect petitions and get support from our country as a whole and basically show... basically uniting all women and showing what we feel about how this one particular woman was being treated. Julia Morley gave them pep speeches in which she did say to them, "Look, it's true, Amina Lawal was threatened with stoning, but by going there, we will raise awareness and that woman will never die as a result. Not, anyway, like this." Succumbing to outside pressure, Amina Lawal's life was spared, perhaps in part because of the beauty queens' petition. And for a brief time, it actually seemed as though Obasanjo and Julia Morley's risk had paid off. But Nigerian authorities were not going to take any chances. With the threat of violence still lingering, the beauty queens were kept isolated in a hotel far away from potential danger. They heard no news, day in, day out nothing worked, including the showers and the toilets, and they were not allowed to leave the floors on which they found themselves, not even to go to the gym in the hotel and work out. They weren't allowed to swim by themselves, they weren't allowed to take a walk around the block. In other words, pretty much from the very beginning, it was understood that they were in a virtual state of siege. Isioma Daniel, for her part, knew nothing about the beauty queens in lock-down. She just knew the event was all that anyone talked about. And then, on a Friday afternoon, she got a plum assignment - to write a cover story about the pageant for the weekend edition. Isioma wanted to write something witty and amusing, poking fun, in one part, at Muslim reaction to the pageant. I thought it was funny that a religion who encourages... who doesn't see anything wrong with a man having as many wives as possible was making such a big fuss about the beauty pageant. Isioma was worried about the article. She went home with a sense that the tone was too sarcastic, that people might not understand she was trying to be funny. But the editor had read it quickly and had approved it. He didn't react, however, to one key sentence. I slotted in this sentence about Mohammed at the very last minute. It just came into my head and I thought it was funny. I honestly didn't see anything wrong with it. What was the line? What was your sentence? You don't want me to say it again. Every time I say it I feel bad. No, I don't think I'm gonna say it again. Isioma wrote of the beauty queen contest - Humour gets up people's noses further. You know, it does. I mean, if one is reverend, even if what one is saying is, so to speak, dissident, you know, it doesn't upset people so much. It's smiles, you know. Smiles appear to be more dangerous than frowns. If you were to put them in another way, if you were to say, for example, that it is well known, historically that the prophet Mohammed had a lot of wives, you know, and although many of the harem marriages were political alliances he obviously also did fall in love with a lot of women and so on, and was obviously a powerful and attractive man. If you start talking like this, you're not upsetting people, but if you say, "If he saw Miss Brazil he'd probably want to marry her", you upset people. This was not a good thing to write. It may have been an accurate thing to write, but it wasn't a good thing. Do you think it was wrong to say that? In the United States? No. In the middle of Nigeria it's a disaster. That one sentence would now turn Isioma's life and her country upside down. Saturday morning, Lagos, Nigeria. 'This Day' newspaper's weekend edition hit the streets with a cover story about the beauty queen pageant. Isioma Daniel was reassured about her article when she got a call from a colleague. ISIOMA: Shaka phoned me and said, "That was a wonderful article. It was so funny, you really got them. "I thought it was fantastic." And he was a Muslim. And then on Sunday I got a different phone call from my editor and he was furious and he was saying, "How could you have done it? How could you have said that? "How could you have been so stupid?" 24 hours later, the newspaper's editors went into damage control, trying to appease Nigeria's Islamic leaders. This person was phoning the Sultan and trying to get them not to incite any violence and trying to get them...Basically everyone was doing damage control and they knew more than I did who they were dealing with. They knew what the north was like. They knew there was going to be hell to pay, that if we'd said something about a religious figure then northern Nigeria was not going to be rational about it. They were going to go out with force and with violence. There's no discussion about whether the article... There was no discussion... ..was right or wrong or good or bad? It was only about the reaction? It was only about the reaction. The newspaper wrote a full-page apology. No-one at the paper would talk to Isioma. She held on. By midweek, Isioma and 'This Day' thought they had averted disaster. The first strike was at one of their offices in a northern state. It was Wednesday morning, it was still very early. I asked what's going on and they said the Kaduna office has been burnt down and the editor there has gone into hiding and they've started riots there. I remember just thinking, "Jesus". And everything just fell apart after that. Judy Bachrach of 'Vanity Fair' magazine documented the fallout. Once a certain level of Muslim leadership got going, everything went crazy. There was only chaos that reigned. 250 people died. People being necklaced with burning tyres, people being shot in the streets, people being hatcheted to death with machetes, mosques being burned, churches being burned. And they heard the rioters scream, "Miss World is sin, Allah akbar." "Allah is mighty." I was completely dead at that time. I... I just could not believe how out of hand it was all getting and how surreal. It seemed like something out of some cheap B-movie. When I tried to summarise it in my head - "OK, I have Muslim fundamentalists out after me, wanting to kill me and because of something I wrote they are now on the streets killing each other and innocent people. It just did not seem...real. Without condemning the riots, the editor of 'This Day' continued trying to appease the Muslim imams who were actively or passively encouraging the violence. The newspaper offered up Isioma Daniel as the culprit. An apology is a small thing, but it gets treated as a surrender. Salman Rushdie himself had once tried to apologise to Islamic extremists and he always regretted it. He says it only makes matters worse. And the refusal to apologise is treated as an aggression. You know, so it's an odd... I mean, it's an old game. It's called blaming the victim. That's what it's about. You know, I show up wanting to kill you, and everything you do in your defence is considered to be proof of why you should be killed. You know, it's just a... it's a moral reversal. Did it surprise you that a profession that's about telling the truth, that's about freedom of expression, that that profession was turning against you? It disillusioned me...It was my... I was a young reporter and it disillusioned me and it really hurt and I was blaming myself. On Friday, Isioma Daniel found it was more than just her newspaper that had turned on her. So had her government. The President was on the radio saying that all those who were involved with this publication were going to be arrested. That's when I left. We were going to be arrested and... Arrested on what grounds? Inciting violence. We were the ones who had incited violence, not the people who were out on the streets killing... Not the imams issuing... Not the imams telling people that I had blasphemed the prophet and they had to defend his name. They were not inciting violence, we were perpetrators of violence. We, the newspaper, were the ones who were guilty. It's so much easier to target the wrong person and therefore of course it's very easy for her to feel that she is to blame because, you know, everything from her own government to Western liberalism ranges up with the bad guys. That's the bit that's obscene. Nigerian State Security Service, the SSS, an organisation still feared even under a democratic government, was looking for Isioma when her father decided it was time to go. Ken Wiwa says that was a good idea. Everyone tried to say SSS, in Nigeria. Um, once you're in the province of, the arms of the SSS you know, God help you really. Get a good lawyer and you'd better hope that perhaps, you know as her case, the international community is behind you. But it hasn't helped many people, including my father. No, you don't want to be visited by the SSS. Isioma's father drove. They left the city and tried to manoeuvre their way through the checkpoints that had gone up since the riots. Isioma was in deep fear of the rioters and of the police. MAN: Stop! I said stop! One frightening moment before they left Nigeria Isioma thought she was caught. Her father explained to police they were going over the border to Benin for a wedding. 'Where were their papers?' They had forgotten them. 'What did they have for the police then?' A bribe basically was all he wanted. He said, "Is there anything for me?" My Dad just laughed, "No there's not". He kind of, he just waved us away and we went off. And I just sat there thinking, this is so surreal. He's just let me go, you know, I sat there thinking this is so, it was so surreal and I was, I was in a daze, I wasn't feeling anything at that point in time. I can't describe the emotion. It was just... tired, confused, angry, shocked. Nigerian authorities were busy with more than just looking for Isioma and dealing with riots. They had tried to keep the Miss World beauty contestants away from the violence. And pageant organisers had denied them any knowledge of it. But on the Friday morning as Isioma fled Nigeria the young women were back in the capital. And as I open up the curtains to my bedroom window and, you know, let the light in. And I'm looking out and I'm staring out of the window and I'm like, to her very alarmed mother in Ottawa Miss Canada got a call through access to phones for the first time. In the Hilton hotel, the women had And I'm like, what is going on? and fire in the distance. And I can see smoke and marching all around. there's military just walking a group of military there. And and there's a bunch of and I'm looking under the tree we're in a Hilton We're in a five-star hotel surrounding our hotel. all over the place there's just military over and we're looking And I call my room-mate do I really see this?

for Isioma Daniel. There was no safe place to the safety of the embassy. and took her Lynsey Bennett Canadian Consulate staff gathered up and the city was under curfew, Most flights were cancelled Like, where do you expect me to go? all red luggage... all with Canada labels all over it, I have seven pieces of luggage, Like, where am I going? with the rest of the culture. I don't exactly blend in blue eyed, Caucasian - I mean, I'm blonde, I'm in the middle of Nigeria, out of the pageant and the hotel. Her insubordination had her thrown with a purpose' had its limits. Bennett learned, 'beauty "Remove them from your room!" Yeah, they're all good to go. "Are your bags packed?" So I turn and I'm like, "Yes?" "Oh, gosh what now?" And I'm sort of like, down the hall, "Miss Canada!" All of sudden just yells at me but he's part of the organisation. what his role was with Miss World who I don't know Julia Morley's son - Michael Morley took charge. Julia Morley's son attempting their own damage control. Pageant organisers were They're just here for a vacation? OK, so what's with the military? Oh yeah, I'm sort of looking like, all these tanks outside. Because you have be giving me false information. but I knew my parents wouldn't works with some girls Like, maybe this "How dumb do you really think I am?" And I'm sort of looking at her like, been evacuated from here. you know, told us and we would have was wrong, Julia Morley would have There's nothing wrong, if something Bennett not to alarm the other girls. The pageant chaperones warned Lynsey I'm like, is this really happening? I'm sort of sitting on the phone, Etc, etc. people that have been killed. And, you know, there's already 100 upset the whole culture. Now this has alive he'd marry one of you. that prophet Mohammed was still written and they said this there's a newspaper article riots broke out and you're, you know, this is what's happening And she's like, who told her the news.

than to stop the bad guys. to blame the victim essentially finds it easier Nigerian government You know, so that a non-religious collaborates with that. is the way in which everybody What is more upsetting you know, they do. like deranged ayatollahs, if deranged ayatollahs behave but you can't be surprised You can't blame...oh, you can blame, rather obviously shocking. But that's is clearly shocking, you know. The Islamist attack and her right to freedom of speech. to the defence of Isioma and he in turn publicly came his circle of support But Rushdie relied on bringing the fatwa on himself. He too had been accused of Isioma Daniel might be going through. Rushdie had an idea what Mohammed in one of his novels. after he had satirised the Prophet for nearly 10 years Rushdie had lived under a fatwa of fatwas, Salman Rushdie. the man with the grandfather not least among them came to defend her, of the international community Prominent members to human-rights groups. Word of Isioma's plight seeped out had nothing to do with that. you'll realise that Miss World If you can understand that, not because of Miss World. That was why there was a riot, making he comment he did. In terms of the guy in Nigeria that caused it in the first place. ..because it's the journalist Isioma was a man. though Morley clearly thought And finally, Julia Morley blamed her, have known better. claiming she should blamed Isioma for her plight Newspapers inside and outside Nigeria of anyone she stayed with. she would endanger the lives Now with the fatwa, Her father could no longer help. so had her newspaper. Her country had abandoned her, my blood could be shed. and like Salman Rushdie, that I had blasphemed the prophets The fatwa said were called upon to kill Isioma. Faithful Muslims everywhere had issued a fatwa. The imams of Northern Nigeria the greatest challenge to her safety. she first got word through email of Hiding with a family friend in Benin,

Lynsey Bennett headed home to Ottawa, who actually wish to commit murder. than to blame people the Miss World organisation It's much easier to blame It's soft targets, you know. around like that, let them do so. And if those girls want to walk my right to do so. but I defend to the death beauty contests, I don't particularly watch to defend the pageant. Salman Rushdie is just as quick for inciting the violence. but also Morley were blaming not only Isioma, and many in the Western media The death toll was climbing beauty queens they were leaving. Julia Morley told the rest of the packed her bags and departed, a bit wiser for her journey. But now safe with her family, she would not be able to compete for the Miss World title, but she felt lucky to be alive. I'm very lucky to be in such a beautiful country. Meanwhile, Isioma Daniel fled into exile, leaving behind her family and the country where she had once dreamed of somehow making a difference, but now wondering where fate was taking her. Norway is about as far from Africa as one can go in the world. Isioma Daniel jumped out of the fires of Nigeria's violence Hours after Lynsey Bennett and see what happens." "And just take life from there "Just get on the plane and just go." And I said, stay here. What would happen?" "You can't do that, you can't it occurred to me, And then I thought, I don't have to go". "I could stay here, when they called me, I thought, at the airport thinking, And I just sat there I was a refugee. I was going to be a refugee. I was going to be on my own, for the first time, reality hit home. Sitting alone in the Paris airport the first offer she got. She had to take and she needed sanctuary. one did - her life was in danger She couldn't afford to wait until None offered to take her. to an English-speaking country. She had wanted to go to a safe asylum. arranged for her escape High Commission for Refugees The United Nations through Charles de Gaulle Airport. Isioma Daniel's flight took her

much less willing to blame herself for all the death and destruction. The point is that you can't just say that now we are not allowed to say anything about Islam because they might come out and kill you, or go out and kill other people. Whereas, you can say things about Jesus, or... ..any other religious figure, most likely Jesus, and...and... you would not get that violence and you would not get that evil, irrational violence, you would not get people being killed. Isioma has made some friends. Eleanor Melby represents the local Amnesty International chapter. Melby has taken on an almost maternal role in Isioma's life. She had followed the Isioma story in the news. It took a while before she finally learned that Isioma had ended up in her own town. You're sent here, like a packet. into the cool, temperate sensibility of Scandinavia. Isioma is no longer afraid to let people know where she lives. With large parts of the Muslim world now at war, she feels like a small target. And she's become more philosophical about what's happened to her, And to this cold, desolate place, a small city. And she's a city girl. She is really a city girl. And coming to this small place - cold, because she came in January. And you know, Norwegian people, they are...they are a bit... Well, because of the climate - that's an excuse - but because of the climate, Norwegian people are not very, very open and warm - immediately. It takes time. And for her, she's a very spontaneous...you've met her, I mean, she's a spontaneous, happy, vibrant girl. It must have been so difficult. Isioma watches a tape of coverage of the Miss World pageant, hearing for the first time that Julia Morley blamed her for the violence. So far away from home with Eleanor as her principal support, Isioma is slipping into despair. I am unhappy, I suppose. I don't recognise who I am as opposed to the girl I was when I was in Nigeria, who was so full of fire and not so inclined to brooding and melancholy and self-reflection as I am now. Isioma discovered her local library has a vast collection of English-language books. She read voraciously. The first book she grabbed was 'Satanic Verses', the novel for which Salman Rushdie was subjected to a fatwa. And I see Salman Rushdie, he was a well-known literary academic before the 'Satanic Verses' were published. And he got a fatwa from the Ayatollah himself, which is like the... which is probably like the 'Godfather' in Islamic circles. A higher order of fatwa. The higher order of...a high fatwa, as opposed to...a Nigerian fatwa... (Laughs)..if we're gonna start... This is my sense of humour. This is what got you into trouble. If we are gonna start comparing fatwas, which one is more impressive than the other.... Rushdie hears of fatwas against writers all the time now, all invoking comparisons to him. There were Rushdies cropping up everywhere, like a kind of rash. And...it basically became the routine insult. First of all, I had a kind of natural reaction of not liking to see oneself sloganised. Erm...and then I sort of changed my mind about it. In the end, I thought, if you look at the people they're throwing this particular insult at, you know, I don't mind being on that team. And if that's the team, that'll do, you know, it's all right. Because they're, largely speaking, people who have not bowed the knee in one way or another. Lynsey Bennett's life changed as well. Her hard-headedness ultimately lost her the Miss Canada crown. But the whole affair gave her a new lease on life and she's decided to become a journalist. Being there and actually physically being present to something that's going on is... is unbelievable. And having just the power, the power of the media, is just unbelievable. How it can change so many things, it's just something that I really wanna get into. Isioma Daniel is the same age as Lynsey Bennett. But their attitudes towards the power of media are far apart. Handful of words that you put on a piece of paper two years ago... ..have changed everything for you. Does that not fill you with some kind of fear or awe, or wonder about the power of words? It does. Maybe that's why I sit behind my computer screen for ages and I never write a single thing. And...yes, it does fill me with awe for the power of words. So words have great power. There's hundreds and thousands of words that you now consume and read and just a handful, one sentence... One sentence... ..can spin your life into orbit. Yeah, just one sentence. Judy Bachrach of 'Vanity Fair' magazine notes how differently fate has treated each of the two women. When I interviewed Miss Canada which was more than a year ago she was already thinking then of becoming a journalist and she said to me, "I want to do what you do." And I have to say that ours is a culture that rewards exactly what Miss Canada has - good looks, a personality, an ability to take the situation, mould it, get out of it when necessary and then talk about it cogently. We do not live in a society and we do not live in a world that rewards martyrs. And Isioma Daniel is at least at the moment, a martyr. Er, I don't mean a literal martyr. She's not dead. But her career was spiked as a result of what she wrote. We never reward that. So one woman gets to become a journalist and the other woman has her journalism career ended. I'm not sure it's ended for Isioma Daniel but it's certainly on hold. Norway is not the centre of journalism. I'm very much worried about the future. But not because of a fear about being killed by some Muslims but more about making a life for myself here in Norway and having a successful life. Because I can never work as a journalist here because of the language basically. I will never be as fluent in Norwegian to do that. And I have huge nightmares that I will end up as some kind of cleaner or something stupid like that. And I suppose that is my biggest fear. That you don't have a future? I do have a future, I just don't know what it is yet or how to get there. I had no intention of living anywhere else in the world except Nigeria. I was going to be buried there. I used to say it all the time. I was that passionately in love with that country despite how messed up it was. And I love that country for what it gave me, definitely. And that's been taken from you, that country's been taken away from you? Yeah, and it didn't seem to do much to keep me basically. Salman Rushdie understands the nature of exile. How the experience of a fatwa can throw one's life off its course. Well, first of all, it's just a shock. I mean, it's just, you see people marching down streets calling for your death, you know. It's just a terrible shock. It's not something you anticipate as part of the job, you know. And it throws you off balance. And certainly that happened to me and I'm sure it happened to Isioma It takes time to regain the equilibrium from which you can make choices. Isioma is regaining her equilibrium. She now has a job at the library. She's making plans. The ones she had in the first place. Working again, with words. Language. Literature. I want to be a writer. That is really what I want to do. And I'm working on a novel at the moment. And people have always said, "You have to write about what happened." And I just think that is really so simple to do that and doesn't feel challenging enough and there's so many other layers and so much I've learnt. But Nigerian Canadian writer, Ken Wiwa, thinks Isioma should write her own story. I think that would be a very strong book because people know her people know her voice people know her story. And it would articulate, as I said, some of the choices we have to make as Nigerians. And the choices we have to make as citizens of the world. She's a survivor. People have endured a lot worse. She's a lucky girl and she's a very smart girl. And my instinct? She'll be a successful woman. Closed Captions provided by Captioning and Subtitling International Pty Ltd