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Thursday, 18 October 1984
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The PRESIDENT —Is it desired to take all these items together?

Senator Grimes-I am happy with that course, Mr President, if it will assist.


The PRESIDENT —Is it the wish of the Senate that all of the matters under General Business, Notices of Motion Nos 146 to 153 inclusive, be declared formal or not formal?

Senator Grimes-Not--

Senator Missen-I ask that No. 148 be excluded from that list and dealt with separately.

Senator Grimes-I intend to declare them all not formal.

Senator Missen-I take a point of order. That notice of motion is in a different category.


The PRESIDENT —General Business notice on motion No. 148 standing in the name of Senator Missen relating to the media reporting of Parliament and its committees, is this formal or not formal?

Senator Grimes-Not formal.

Senator Missen-Mr President, this notice of motion is not in the same category as the others. I suggest that if it is declared not formal you, Mr President, and the Senate Standing Committee on Publications will be deprived of the opportunity of looking into the matter.


The PRESIDENT —At the moment I am ascertaining whether the notice of motion is formal or not formal. It has been declared not formal. At this stage there is no debate on the matter.

Senator Missen-I take a point of order. To declare this not formal will deprive you, Mr President, and the Publications Committee of an opportunity to look into the feasibility of a matter. The notice of motion will go to the bottom of the Notice Paper. It will not be dealt with and it will go off the Notice Paper at the end of this session. If this happens, subsequently I will have to ask the Senate to treat this matter as a separate matter. I will probably do so in the non-controversial debate today. I suggest that this is a dog-in-the-manger attitude to take regarding this notice of motion.


The PRESIDENT —There is no point of order. At the moment we are merely going through the process of the Senate determining whether the matters are formal or not formal.

Senator Missen-I withdraw the notice of motion so that I will be free to take up the matter elsewhere in this Parliament.

Senator Grimes-We will negotiate on this. Don't get up here and put on a song and dance about it without letting us know.

Senator MacGibbon-Jackboots again.


The PRESIDENT —Order! Senator Missen, do you withdraw the notice of motion?

Senator Missen-I withdraw it. Under the circumstances, what I am forced to do is withdraw the notice of motion now and raise the matter in Parliament later today.

Senator Grimes-You would know all about jackboots, MacGibbon, you fascist.

Senator Walters-I ask Senator Grimes to withdraw that remark.

Senator Grimes-I think that Senator Walters's request demonstrates exactly what the Opposition is about. It is perfectly all right for Senator MacGibbon to say that I go around in jackboots. It is not all right for me to say it even more directly to him. We know that the honourable senator has double standards, but I withdraw.


The PRESIDENT —Order! The Chair did not hear the remark that is claimed to be offensive, but if Senator Grimes made such a remark I ask him to withdraw.

Senator Grimes-I withdrew.


The PRESIDENT —Thank you. Senator Grimes has withdrawn.

Senator McIntosh-I take a point of order. Under the circumstances I insist that Senator MacGibbon withdraw his remark, which was heard quite clearly.

Senator MacGibbon-I would be happy to withdraw that remark.


The PRESIDENT —Order! Senator MacGibbon has withdrawn the remark, whatever it was. I call General Business notice of motion No. 149 standing in the name of Senator Foreman relating to achievements of the Government. Is this formal or not formal?

Senator Grimes-Not formal.

Senator Peter Rae-To save the time of the Senate, can we take the rest en bloc?


The PRESIDENT —No. Objection was taken to that-

Senator Peter Rae-I was just trying to help. I thought that Senator Grimes might have--


The PRESIDENT —Order! I sought the permission of the Senate to do that earlier. There were two objections and I decided that in the interests of the Senate it should be done individually.