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Thursday, 11 October 1984
Page: 1612


Senator GIETZELT —Minister for Veterans' Affairs)-On behalf of the Leader of the Government in the Senate, Senator Button, I move the notice of motion as set out on today's Notice Paper relating to the order of business and the hours of sitting of the Senate commencing next week.


The PRESIDENT —The question is that the motion be agreed to.


Senator Harradine —Mr President--


The PRESIDENT —There can be no debate on a formal motion, Senator Harradine.


Senator Harradine —I take a point of order then, Mr President. I understand, as the Minister has mentioned, that this motion relates to next week. Is that correct?


The PRESIDENT —Yes, next week.


Senator Harradine —It does not apply this week?


The PRESIDENT —It covers General Business this afternoon too.


Senator Harradine —Then that motion is not formal, Mr President. We have been deceived by the Minister at the table because he said this is a matter that will cover business next week. I heard the Minister say precisely that. He did not say anything about this week. Therefore, on a point of order, I say that in fact the Government has misled the Parliament.


The PRESIDENT —I asked whether Government Business notice of motion No. 1 standing in the name of the Leader of the Government relating to days and times of meeting next week was formal or not formal. The matter was declared formal and Senator Gietzelt moved his motion. In moving his motion he mentioned that the matter related to next week. I shall put the question again to save any confusion.


Senator Sir John Carrick —Mr President, perhaps I might help. If the Minister could indicate--


The PRESIDENT —Senator Carrick, I am going to call the matter again to see whether it is declared formal or not formal.


Senator Sir John Carrick —Mr President, I am aiming to help the Chair and the Senate on this matter and I was speaking in a helpful fashion. There appears to be a lack of understanding in the Senate as to whether the matter before us affects business this afternoon.


The PRESIDENT —I will put the matter again and ask whether it is formal or not formal. The matter raised by Senator Sir John Carrick can be discussed if it is declared not formal. Is Government Business notice of motion No. 1 standing in the name of the Leader of the Government in the Senate, Senator Button, relating to days and times of meeting next week, formal or not formal?


Senator Harradine —Not formal.