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Tuesday, 12 June 1984
Page: 2832


Senator GRIMES (Minister for Social Security) —by leave-I am aware that there was a discussion between the Government and the Opposition on this matter and that the debate was foreshortened, even though I was not part of it. I can understand Senator Chipp's concern about the matter; but if a division were to be called for, honourable senators should have been present to call for it. However, as I gather that the problem is that the Australian Democrats wanted to record their vote against the motion, as a simple and short way out of the difficulty we could give them leave to have their opposition to the motion recorded in the Journals of the Senate without causing a great fuss.


Senator Chaney —I think that we should give such leave to anyone else who has opposition to the motion, by the same token.


The PRESIDENT —Is leave granted for that course of action to be taken?


Senator Chaney —Provided, Mr President, that it is a general provision which can be made available to all honourable senators.


Senator Georges —Let us have the vote rather than fiddling around.


The PRESIDENT —Order! There being no objection, leave is granted. Will you move the motion, Senator Grimes?


Senator Grimes —I do not need so to move, Mr President. I just offered to give the Democrats leave to have their opposition recorded in the Journals of the Senate.


The PRESIDENT —All right.


Senator Chaney —I offered to give leave to members of the Government who have the same-


The PRESIDENT —Order! I call Senator Chipp.