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Wednesday, 15 August 2012
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Carbon Pricing

Mr ABBOTT (WarringahLeader of the Opposition) (14:34): Madam Deputy Speaker, I have a further supplementary question. Can the Prime Minister inform the House how many households will be worse off even on the government's own figures? Can the Prime Minister confirm that the best way to compensate people would just be to drop the carbon tax?

Ms GILLARD (LalorPrime Minister) (14:34): To the Leader of the Opposition I say, as he well knows—and perhaps he should ask a pensioner about this—we have made sure that pensioners have 20 per cent over and above what they need for the average impact of carbon pricing.

Mr Pyne: Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance. The Prime Minister was asked a very straightforward question about how many people would be worse off under her modelling and why she does not just scrap the carbon tax.

Mr Albanese: Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Often in the opposition's points of order they repeat the question and sometimes, as on that occasion, they actually ask a different question. It is totally out of order.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER ( Ms AE Burke ): I will continue to point out that points of order are not to be used for debate.

Ms GILLARD: That question from the Leader of the Opposition concluded by asking why I do not act to make people, as he said, better off by getting rid of the carbon price. That is what he said. I point out to the Leader of the Opposition—and it may be unpalatable for him—that his so-called plan to repeal carbon pricing, which we all know will never happen, would make pensioners worse off. His so-called plan would make households—including, for example, those with part-time working women who are benefiting from a tripling of the tax-free threshold—worse off. The Leader of the Opposition needs to acknowledge these basic facts.

We know that the Leader of the Opposition's claims about a carbon price repeal are hollow and that every living Liberal leader has supported a price on carbon. He should at least be explaining to working families that his plan is one which would make millions of Australians worse off.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Prime Minister needs to return to the question.

Ms GILLARD: The Leader of the Opposition knows from— (Time expired)