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Thursday, 27 September 1973
Page: 1699


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - The point of order is upheld. The question is that Standing Orders be suspended to enable the honourable member for Wannon to tablea certain paper forthwith.


Mr MALCOLM FRASER - Throughout this whole matter there has been an attempt by the Minister concerned--


Mr Daly - Mr Deputy Speaker,I rise on a point of order. I point out to you--


Mr MALCOLM FRASER - This is an attempt by the Minister to prevent debate and to preserve secrecy.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Dr Jenkins)Order!The honourable member for Wannon will resume his seat.


Mr Daly - I take a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. A debate is in progress in the Parliament on a certain matter. It has not been adjourned but by some strange procedure the honourable member for Wannon is on his feet moving a totally different motion. The honour able member for Barton was on his feet to debate Bills relating to handicapped children and disabled people. The honourable member for Wannon comes in and interferes with debate on Bills concerning disabled persons and sheltered workshops to make a cheap--


Mr Lynch - A point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. The Leader of the House is deliberately wasting the time of this House. He is not prepared to have the facts come out.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - That is not a point of order.


Mr Lynch - I would ask for your ruling.


Mr Daly -I have not finished my point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker.


Mr Hunt - Mr Deputy Speaker, I wish to take a point of order. For 2 days the Opposition has tried to get the truth from the Minister for Minerals and Energy.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Order! The honourable member will come to his point of order.


Mr Hunt - The Minister has gagged debates and refused to answer questions.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Order! The honourable member will come to his point of order or will resume his seat. I will not warn the honourable member for Gwydir again.


Mr Daly - I continue my point of order. The House is in the course of debating Bills related to sheltered workshops and disabled persons, a most needy section of the community.


Mr Malcolm Fraser - Mr Deputy Speaker, I submit that you should rule on this point of order without permitting further debate because the Leader of the House quite deliberately is trying to talk out time which could be used in discussing my motion for the suspension of Standing Orders.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - There is no point of order involved.


Mr Malcolm Fraser - There is a point of order because the Leader of the House is speaking to a point of order and you should rule on that point of order.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - It is the duty of the Chair to determine whether the Leader of the House is departing from his point of order.


Mr Daly - The point of order that I make in the face of objections is that a debate is in progress on the question of sheltered workshops.


Mr Malcolm Fraser - On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I submit that the Chair is deliberately allowing the Leader of the House to continue in this manner.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! That is a reflection on the Chair and I ask that it be withdrawn.


Mr Malcolm Fraser - I withdraw it with deference to you, Mr Deputy Speaker, but a limited time is allowed for debating a motion to suspend Standing Orders and the Leader of the House is quite deliberately speaking to delay the debate and to prevent the truth being revealed in this matter. He cannot be allowed to continue and you, Mr Deputy Speaker, are the only person who can take action.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER - Will the honourable member resume his seat. I have already ruled that the motion to suspend Standing Orders is in order. The Leader of the House is raising a point of order.


Mr Malcolm Fraser - With respect, Mr Deputy Speaker, I submit that he is canvassing your ruling permitting me to move the motion to suspend Standing Orders.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The honourable member for Wannon will resume his seat.


Mr Malcolm Fraser - May I, with the greatest respect, say that you have already ruled with regard to the motion to suspend Standing Orders?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -The honourable member for Wannon will resume his seat. I call the Leader of the House to complete his point of order.


Mr Daly - The point of order I make is that-


Mr Kelly - Get on with it. Come to the point.


Mr Daly - I will take my time. In accordance with the Standing Orders of the House, I will wait until members opposite are silent.


Mr Sinclair - On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Are you going to allow the Minister to continue as he is at the moment?


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The House will come to order.


Mr Anthony - I rise on a point of order.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The Leader of the Country Party knows that, under the Standing Orders, he must remain seated while the occupant of the Chair is standing.

If the House will come to order it will enable the Leader of the House to make his point of order and I will give a ruling. However, the way the House is being conducted at the moment I am not being given that opportunity.


Mr Daly - Mr Deputy Speaker, I will not proceed with my point of order until such time as honourable members opposite obey the Standing Orders and remain silent. All interjections are disorderly. The point I make is that a debate is in progress on the Sheltered Employment (Assistance) Bill, which provides for very deserving people. This Bill is being debated in a cognate debate with the Handicapped Children (Assistance) Bill, which relates to a most deserving area and concerns the poorer and more afflicted sector of the community.


Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER -Order! The Leader of the House is debating the matter.

Mr Daly- I will come to the point. In my long experience in this House I have never known an honourable member to be able to rise on a notice of motion given to be heard on the next day of sitting, interrupt a debate, particularly one such as this, and then seek to make cheap political capital out of suffering children and others. It is contemptible - and you are all as contemptible as you look. The honourable member is the wealthiest man in the House- (Opposition members interjecting)







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