

- Title
BILLS
Wild Rivers (Environmental Management) Bill 2011
In Committee
- Database
Senate Hansard
- Date
12-05-2011
- Source
Senate
- Parl No.
43
- Electorate
- Interjector
McLucas, Sen Jan
- Page
2400
- Party
Ind.
- Presenter
- Status
Final
- Question No.
- Questioner
- Responder
- Speaker
Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Stage
In Committee
- Type
- Context
BILLS
- System Id
chamber/hansards/21ab87a2-d978-47be-9c9f-6a396680bf28/0009
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Hansard
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BILLS
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Wild Rivers (Environmental Management) Bill 2011
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In Committee
- Scullion, Sen Nigel
- Senator FIELDING
- Furner, Sen Mark
- Procedural Text
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Brandis, Sen George
- McLucas, Sen Jan
- Boswell, Sen Ronald
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Heffernan, Sen Bill
- Procedural Text
- Arbib, Sen Mark
- Siewert, Sen Rachel
- Procedural Text
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Arbib, Sen Mark
- Scullion, Sen Nigel
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In Committee
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Wild Rivers (Environmental Management) Bill 2011
- COMMITTEES
- NOTICES
- BUSINESS
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- BUSINESS
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- MOTIONS
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- Aviation Transport Security Amendment (Air Cargo) Bill 2011, Customs Amendment (Export Controls and Other Measures) Bill 2011, Family Assistance and Other Legislation Amendment (Child Care and Other Measures) Bill 2011, Trans-Tasman Proceedings Amendment and Other Measures Bill 2011
- Electoral and Referendum Amendment (Provisional Voting) Bill 2011
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QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
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Budget
(Cormann, Sen Mathias, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Budget
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Carbon Pricing
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Evans, Sen Christopher) -
Coal Seam Gas Projects
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Carbon Pricing
(Birmingham, Sen Simon, Evans, Sen Christopher) -
Budget
(Sterle, Sen Glenn, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Budget
(Boswell, Sen Ronald, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Soccer World Cup
(Xenophon, Sen Nick, Arbib, Sen Mark) -
Budget
(Fierravanti-Wells, Sen Concetta, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Budget
(Pratt, Sen Louise, Arbib, Sen Mark)
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Budget
- QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: ADDITIONAL ANSWERS
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BUDGET
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Consideration by Estimates Committees
- Senator BARNETT
- Carr, Sen Kim
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Fisher, Sen Mary Jo
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Fisher, Sen Mary Jo
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Fisher, Sen Mary Jo
- Conroy, Sen Stephen
- Fisher, Sen Mary Jo
- Conroy, Sen Stephen
- Fisher, Sen Mary Jo
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Heffernan, Sen Bill
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Heffernan, Sen Bill
- Boyce, Sen Sue
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Boyce, Sen Sue
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Boyce, Sen Sue
- Back, Sen Chris
- Lundy, Sen Kate
- Back, Sen Chris
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Consideration by Estimates Committees
- QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS
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- Economics References Committee, Finance and Public Administration References Committee, Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade References Committee, Rural Affairs and Transport References Committee, Treaties Committee, Intelligence and Security Committee
- Scrutiny of Bills Committee
- Membership
- Environment and Communications Legislation Committee
- MOTIONS
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- ADJOURNMENT
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QUESTIONS ON NOTICE
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Tertiary Education, Skills, Jobs and Workplace Relations: Staffing (Question No. 399)
(Mason, Sen Brett, Evans, Sen Christopher) -
Prime Minister (Question No. 405)
(Mason, Sen Brett, Evans, Sen Christopher) -
Australian Broadcasting Corporation (Question No. 410)
(Adams, Sen Judith, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Superannuation (Question No. 433)
(Cormann, Sen Mathias, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Superannuation (Question No. 434)
(Cormann, Sen Mathias, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Flood Levy (Question No. 435)
(Cormann, Sen Mathias, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Taxation (Question No. 436)
(Cormann, Sen Mathias, Wong, Sen Penny) -
National Cycling Strategy (Question No. 440)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
National Indigenous Television (Question No. 441)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Arbib, Sen Mark) -
Australia Network (Question No. 443)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
National Heritage Strategy (Question No. 446)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area (Question No. 452)
(Brown, Sen Bob, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Defence: Freedom of Information (Question Nos 497 to 499)
(Johnston, Sen David, Evans, Sen Christopher) -
Defence: Project Funding (Question Nos 515 to 517)
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Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (Question No. 532)
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Fair Work Australia (Question No. 534)
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Evans, Sen Christopher) -
Ausroads (Question No. 536)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Australian Communications and Media Authority (Question No. 539)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Home Insulation Safety Program (Question No. 540)
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Foreign Investment (Question No. 542)
(Johnston, Sen David, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Foreign Affairs (Question No. 546)
(Johnston, Sen David, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
East Timor Regional Processing Centre (Question No. 551)
(Johnston, Sen David, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
United Nations (Question No. 558)
(Johnston, Sen David, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
United Nations Security Council (Question No. 559)
(Johnston, Sen David, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Lucas Heights Reactor (Question No. 568)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (Question No. 569)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Australian Federal Police (Question No. 575)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Climate Change (Question No. 589)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Climate Change (Question No. 590)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Climate Change (Question No. 591)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Climate Change (Question No. 592)
(Ludlam, Sen Scott, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Fair Work Ombudsman (Question No. 597)
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Evans, Sen Christopher)
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Tertiary Education, Skills, Jobs and Workplace Relations: Staffing (Question No. 399)
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Senator XENOPHON (South Australia) (10:13): I would like to make a few comments about the Wild Rivers (Environmental Management) Bill 2011 and about the opposition's amendments that I believe deal with a number of the concerns that have been raised with me about how consent will be achieved, because that is a key issue here. I want to deal with some of the concerns of Senator Fielding that were also raised by Senator Furner. Let us put this in perspective. In the absence of a wild river declaration these pieces of legislation apply to the land in Cape York and areas that could be subject to wild river declarations: the Coastal Protection and Management Act, the Environmental Protection Act, the Fisheries Act, the Forestry Act, the Fossicking Act, the Land Protection (Pest and. Stock Route Management) Act, the Mineral Resources Act, the Nature Conservation Act, the State Development and Public Works Organisation Act, the Sustainable Planning Act, the Transport Infrastructure Act, the Vegetation Management Act and the Water Act. There are currently 13 pieces of legislation in place that provide safeguards for the environment. The fundamental flaw is that there is a lack of consultation and consent with the Indigenous owners of the land. That is what I find objectionable about the Queensland legislation.
It is rare in this place for senators to be asked to decide between a perfect outcome and a disastrous one. Typically the decisions we are asked to make come down to deciding which way forward will bring about the better outcome—not a perfect outcome, but a better outcome. I want to refer specifically to clause 6 of the bill, because we are in committee, and the way it addresses the issue of consent. There has been a lot said in this debate, and I believe the coalition's bill has been unfairly characterised in some quarters. Let us be clear what this bill does and does not do: it does not prevent the Queensland government from making wild river declarations; it simply requires the Queensland government to seek consent from traditional owners of that land before it makes a declaration. You just have to ask first.
The government has argued that other members of society do not have this right of consent and that if a government wanted to build a freeway where my house is it could compulsorily acquire my land. This is a spurious argument for a number of reasons. Firstly, if the government wants my land to build that freeway, they take over my land. With wild rivers declarations the land is not taken over, but the government does tell you what you can and cannot do with your land. Moreover, if the government wants that freeway, they have to pay me just compensation for that land. With wild rivers there is no compensation, you just lose your rights.
The government has said that traditional owners can seek exemptions from a declaration, arguing that more than 100 have already been granted. It is something that my friend and colleague Senator Fielding referred to. But as Balkanu CEO Terry Piper has pointed out, nine of those were for one fence. And as Noel Pearson has also pointed out, the vast majority of those permits have been granted to either mining companies or state government departments. Surely this supports the argument by Indigenous groups that the application process is so complex you need the resources of a mining company or a government to go through it.
There is another issue here. Senator Fielding made the point: let us help people navigate through the wild rivers declarations. I say this, understanding that Senator Fielding is absolutely genuine in his concerns: but you are asking people to navigate where there are so many obstacles, where the boat you are given in the first place is so leaky by virtue of these wild river declarations, it is setting up impossible obstacles for these communities.
In January this year I travelled to Cape York Peninsula where I met with both supporters and opponents of the coalition's bill, and I must say wherever I went—and I travelled freely and consulted widely—I met a lot more supporters than opponents. One of the supporters was Bruce Martin from Aurukun, who I met again last night. He is one of the new generation of Indigenous leaders. He is articulate, he is smart, he is passionate about the possibility for real economic development. He wants to do something about the horrendous unemployment rates in his communities—70 per cent, 80 per cent unemployment rates. We all do.
Senator McLucas: Everybody does.
Senator XENOPHON: Senator McLucas says, 'Everybody does,' and I agree with that. There is no issue about the genuineness of both sides of the house wanting to deal with the shocking rates of unemployment and disadvantage in those communities. Incidentally, former senator Brian Harradine danced with members of the Aurukun community here in front of Parliament House over native title.
Bruce and his community have big plans for Aurukun, and they have mapped a path forward. Bruce says they want to look after country. They also want to get young people back to country to strengthen and maintain culture. They want to create training and employment and they want to do this by utilising the one asset they have—their land—to be able to provide for their families.
Bruce and almost all of the Indigenous people I have spoken to on this issue argue that the wild rivers legislation is an impediment to achieving this. For example, the Aurukun people are exploring the option of a cattle destocking project that would manage the 10,000 to 15,000 head of feral cattle and 5,000 wild brumbies that are currently destroying the environment up there. Over three years they want to remove 95 per cent of feral animals from key cultural and environmental areas, creating jobs and restoring their country, and providing food for their community. But plans like this, which has the support of backers like philanthropist Paul Bendat, are threatened by wild rivers declarations. Yes, the Aurukun people can attempt to seek an exemption, but there is no guarantee that they can get it. And they can argue the costs involved make it beyond their reach.
Bruce said something else that has hit home about the Wild Rivers Act. He said to me that the Queensland wild rivers legislation, like native title more broadly, only entitles him and his community 'to be native'. He went on to say:
It is now the 21st century. We need the outside world to stop viewing us as the 'noble savage'. What we are trying to do now is to keep our culture strong, stay committed to the traditions and beliefs of our ancestors and to look after country and utilise our land, but with all the benefits of modernity. Old and new in partnership.
I believe we need to be careful that our laws do not stand in the way of these fine aspirations.