

- Title
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
AUSTRALIAN CLIMATE CHANGE REGULATORY AUTHORITY BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—CUSTOMS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—EXCISE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—GENERAL) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
EXCISE TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME AMENDMENT (HOUSEHOLD ASSISTANCE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
In Committee
- Database
Senate Hansard
- Date
30-11-2009
- Source
Senate
- Parl No.
42
- Electorate
South Australia
- Interjector
- Page
9480
- Party
IND
- Presenter
- Status
Final
- Question No.
- Questioner
- Responder
- Speaker
Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Stage
In Committee
- Type
- Context
Bills
- System Id
chamber/hansards/2009-11-30/0419
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Hansard
- Start of Business
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BUSINESS
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Rearrangement
- Parry, Sen Stephen
- Fielding, Sen Steve
- Evans, Sen Chris
- Fielding, Sen Steve
- Evans, Sen Chris
- Parry, Sen Stephen
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Fielding, Sen Steve
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Parry, Sen Stephen
- Siewert, Sen Rachel
- Parry, Sen Stephen
- Division
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Rearrangement
- COMMITTEES
- DOCUMENTS
- COMMITTEES
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HIGHER EDUCATION LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (STUDENT SERVICES AND AMENITIES) BILL 2009
SOCIAL SECURITY AND OTHER LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (INCOME SUPPORT FOR STUDENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
STATUTE LAW REVISION BILL 2009 - COMMITTEES
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CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
AUSTRALIAN CLIMATE CHANGE REGULATORY AUTHORITY BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—CUSTOMS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—EXCISE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—GENERAL) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
EXCISE TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME AMENDMENT (HOUSEHOLD ASSISTANCE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]-
In Committee
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- ong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Boswell, Sen Ron
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Boswell, Sen Ron
- Sherry, Sen Nick
- Back, Sen Chris
- Boswell, Sen Ron
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Boswell, Sen Ron
- Williams, Sen John
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Williams, Sen John
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Division
- Procedural Text
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Williams, Sen John
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Division
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- McGauran, Sen Julian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Division
- Procedural Text
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In Committee
- COMMITTEES
- LEAVE OF ABSENCE
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CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
AUSTRALIAN CLIMATE CHANGE REGULATORY AUTHORITY BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—CUSTOMS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—EXCISE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES—GENERAL) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
EXCISE TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME AMENDMENT (HOUSEHOLD ASSISTANCE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]-
In Committee
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Moore, Sen Claire
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Back, Sen Chris
- Division
- Procedural Text
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- McGauran, Sen Julian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Macdonald, Sen Ian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Wong, Sen Penny
- McGauran, Sen Julian
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Division
- Procedural Text
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Joyce, Sen Barnaby
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Barnett, Sen Guy
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Ludwig, Sen Joe
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Ludwig, Sen Joe
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Adams, Sen Judith
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Cash, Sen Michaelia
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Back, Sen Chris
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Abetz, Sen Eric
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Eggleston, Sen Alan
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- O’Brien, Sen Kerry
- Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Cameron, Sen Doug
- Williams, Sen John
- Nash, Sen Fiona
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Xenophon, Sen Nick
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Milne, Sen Christine
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Brown, Sen Bob
- Wong, Sen Penny
- Adoption of Report
- Third Reading
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In Committee
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CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) BILL 2009 [NO. 2]
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME AMENDMENT (HOUSEHOLD ASSISTANCE) BILL 2009 [NO. 2] - BUSINESS
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APPROPRIATION (WATER ENTITLEMENTS AND HOME INSULATION) BILL 2009-2010
APPROPRIATION (WATER ENTITLEMENTS) BILL 2009-2010 - NOTICES
- FAIR WORK AMENDMENT (STATE REFERRALS AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2009
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TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (2009 BUDGET MEASURES NO. 2) BILL 2009
INCOME TAX (TFN WITHHOLDING TAX (ESS)) BILL 2009 - COMMITTEES
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BANKRUPTCY LEGISLATION AMENDMENT BILL 2009
HEALTH INSURANCE AMENDMENT (NEW ZEALAND OVERSEAS TRAINED DOCTORS) BILL 2009
TRADE PRACTICES AMENDMENT (INFRASTRUCTURE ACCESS) BILL 2009 - ADJOURNMENT
- LEAVE OF ABSENCE
- VALEDICTORY
- BUSINESS
- VALEDICTORY
- Adjournment
- DOCUMENTS
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QUESTIONS ON NOTICE
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Boston Consulting Group and Allen Consulting Group
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Treasury
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Finance and Deregulation: Website
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Special Minister of State: Website
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Export Finance and Insurance Corporation
(Brown, Sen Bob, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Export Finance and Insurance Corporation
(Brown, Sen Bob, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Export Finance and Insurance Corporation
(Brown, Sen Bob, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Export Finance and Insurance Corporation
(Brown, Sen Bob, Carr, Sen Kim)
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Boston Consulting Group and Allen Consulting Group
Page: 9480
Senator XENOPHON (3:41 PM)
—I understand the minister’s point about not committing extra resources to the Frontier model, given that the government and the opposition—the alternative government—do not support it. Clearly, resources have been expended in providing engaging modelling for this scheme so it is a case of asking for information that the Commonwealth already has. I will not make it any higher than that—it is not asking for anything new; it is asking for material that would already be in the possession of the government. I can write to the minister about that. I have already alluded to a couple of those issues and it is something that I tabled—but withdrew—last week in the context of a second reading amendment. After consultation with the Greens I rolled in a simpler version of that amendment together with the Greens amendment which, unfortunately, did not get up. What I have said is clear but as a courtesy to the minister I would be happy to write to her about that.
The other issue is about compensation. This is still an issue for the 750,000 small and medium businesses in this country that will receive little or no compensation under this scheme. They would have received no compensation under the government’s original CPRS and some compensation to the tune of $1.1 billion in the package of amendments that were negotiated with the then opposition leader and Mr Macfarlane last week. There is still a significant price rise for businesses in this country. I believe that is an impost on jobs and on growth. We can do better in aiming for higher emission reduction targets. If we can reduce the direct and indirect costs of such a scheme, that is a good thing.
I say to those in the coalition who believe that a carbon tax is the best approach that the problem with a carbon tax is that you do not have any level of certainty in terms of overall emissions; that you do not have any level of business certainty for investment because a carbon tax can be adjusted upwards or downwards at any time; and that, because action on climate change requires a global approach, being able to trade, being able to have permits and the tradability of permits is an integral part of that. I do not think I am saying anything there that the government will disagree with, but for those in the coalition who think that there is an alternative way forward with the carbon tax, I suggest that it is simply too narrow a focus and does not take advantage of the opportunities that already exist with respect to a European scheme. It is inevitable that we will have a whole range of other schemes up and running given the commitments that have been made by a number of developed nations and, for that matter, by a number of developing countries that have gone down the path of saying that we need to take urgent action on climate change.