

- Title
NATIONAL HEALTH AMENDMENT (PHARMACEUTICAL AND OTHER BENEFITS—COST RECOVERY) BILL 2008 [NO. 2]
Second Reading
- Database
Senate Hansard
- Date
15-06-2009
- Source
Senate
- Parl No.
42
- Electorate
Western Australia
- Interjector
- Page
3139
- Party
LP
- Presenter
- Status
Final
- Question No.
- Questioner
- Responder
- Speaker
Cormann, Sen Mathias
- Stage
Second Reading
- Type
- Context
Bills
- System Id
chamber/hansards/2009-06-15/0152
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Hansard
- Start of Business
- TEMPORARY CHAIRMEN OF COMMITTEES
- COMMITTEES
- BUSINESS
- TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (MEDICARE LEVY AND MEDICARE LEVY SURCHARGE) BILL 2009
- NATION-BUILDING FUNDS AMENDMENT BILL 2009
- HIGHER EDUCATION SUPPORT AMENDMENT (VET FEE-HELP AND PROVIDERS) BILL 2009
- NATIONAL HEALTH AMENDMENT (PHARMACEUTICAL AND OTHER BENEFITS—COST RECOVERY) BILL 2008 [NO. 2]
- MINISTERIAL ARRANGEMENTS
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QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
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Interest Rates
(Coonan, Sen Helen, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Economy
(Hurley, Sen Annette, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Solar Energy
(Birmingham, Sen Simon, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Solar Energy
(Crossin, Sen Trish, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Building the Education Revolution Program
(Mason, Sen Brett, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Securency Pty Ltd and Note Printing Australia
(Brown, Sen Bob, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Workplace Relations
(Fisher, Sen Mary Jo, Arbib, Sen Mark) -
Afghanistan
(Hutchins, Sen Steve, Faulkner, Sen John) -
Emissions Trading Scheme
(McGauran, Sen Julian, Arbib, Sen Mark) -
Building the Education Revolution Program
(Forshaw, Sen Michael, Carr, Sen Kim)
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Interest Rates
- QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE: TAKE NOTE OF ANSWERS
- PETITIONS
- NOTICES
- COMMITTEES
- LEAVE OF ABSENCE
- COMMITTEES
- NOTICES
- INFRASTRUCTURE AUSTRALIA AMENDMENT (NATIONAL BROADBAND NETWORK AND OTHER PROJECTS) BILL 2009
- MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS
- DOCUMENTS
- COMMITTEES
- MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS
- COMMITTEES
- AUDITOR-GENERAL’S REPORTS
- DOCUMENTS
- AUDITOR-GENERAL’S REPORTS
- BUDGET
- COMMITTEES
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FAIR WORK (STATE REFERRAL AND CONSEQUENTIAL AND OTHER AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009
FAIR WORK (TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS AND CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 -
CAR DEALERSHIP FINANCING GUARANTEE APPROPRIATION BILL 2009
EVIDENCE AMENDMENT (JOURNALISTS’ PRIVILEGE) BILL 2009
FAMILY ASSISTANCE AND OTHER LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (2008 BUDGET AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2009
FAMILY ASSISTANCE LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (CHILD CARE) BILL 2009
FINANCIAL SECTOR LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (ENHANCING SUPERVISION AND ENFORCEMENT) BILL 2009
FUEL QUALITY STANDARDS AMENDMENT BILL 2009
HEALTH WORKFORCE AUSTRALIA BILL 2009
LAW AND JUSTICE (CROSS BORDER AND OTHER AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009
NATION BUILDING PROGRAM (NATIONAL LAND TRANSPORT) AMENDMENT BILL 2009
NATIVE TITLE AMENDMENT BILL 2009
SOCIAL SECURITY LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (DIGITAL TELEVISION SWITCH-OVER) BILL 2009
SOCIAL SECURITY LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (IMPROVED SUPPORT FOR CARERS) BILL 2009
TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (2009 BUDGET MEASURES NO. 1) BILL 2009
TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (2009 MEASURES NO. 2) BILL 2009
TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (2009 MEASURES NO. 3) BILL 2009
THERAPEUTIC GOODS AMENDMENT (2009 MEASURES NO. 1) BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009
AUSTRALIAN CLIMATE CHANGE REGULATORY AUTHORITY BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES-CUSTOMS) BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES-EXCISE) BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CHARGES-GENERAL) BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME (CPRS FUEL CREDITS) (CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009
EXCISE TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009
CUSTOMS TARIFF AMENDMENT (CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME) BILL 2009
CARBON POLLUTION REDUCTION SCHEME AMENDMENT (HOUSEHOLD ASSISTANCE) BILL 2009
FAIRER PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INCENTIVES BILL 2009
FAIRER PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INCENTIVES (MEDICARE LEVY SURCHARGE) BILL 2009
FAIRER PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INCENTIVES (MEDICARE LEVY SURCHARGE—FRINGE BENEFITS) BILL 2009 - EMPLOYMENT AND WORKPLACE RELATIONS AMENDMENT BILL 2009
- THERAPEUTIC GOODS AMENDMENT (MEDICAL DEVICES AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2008 [2009]
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TAX LAWS AMENDMENT (SMALL BUSINESS AND GENERAL BUSINESS TAX BREAK) BILL 2009
TELECOMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION LEGISLATION AMENDMENT BILL (NO. 1) 2009
CUSTOMS LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (NAME CHANGE) BILL 2009
CUSTOMS AMENDMENT (ENHANCED BORDER CONTROLS AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2009
SOCIAL SECURITY AND FAMILY ASSISTANCE LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (2009 BUDGET MEASURES) BILL 2009
FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE LEGISLATION AMENDMENT BILL 2009
EMPLOYMENT AND WORKPLACE RELATIONS AMENDMENT BILL 2009 - PLEBISCITE FOR AN AUSTRALIAN REPUBLIC BILL 2008
- BUSINESS
- NATIONAL HEALTH AMENDMENT (PHARMACEUTICAL AND OTHER BENEFITS—COST RECOVERY) BILL 2008 [NO. 2]
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FAIR WORK (STATE REFERRAL AND CONSEQUENTIAL AND OTHER AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009
FAIR WORK (TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS AND CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 - COMMITTEES
- BUSINESS
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FAIR WORK (STATE REFERRAL AND CONSEQUENTIAL AND OTHER AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009
FAIR WORK (TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS AND CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS) BILL 2009 - BUSINESS
- TRADE PRACTICES AMENDMENT (CARTEL CONDUCT AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 2008
- ADJOURNMENT
- Adjournment
- DOCUMENTS
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QUESTIONS ON NOTICE
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Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy: Staffing
(Minchin, Sen Nick, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Beijing Olympic Games
(Minchin, Sen Nick, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Minister for Resources and Energy and Minister for Tourism: Overseas Travel
(Minchin, Sen Nick, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Liquified Petroleum Gas Vehicle Conversion Scheme
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Education: Media Contracts
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy: Media Monitoring
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Education, Employment and Workplace Relations, and Youth: Media Contracts
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Attorney-General: Media Contracts
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry: Media Contracts
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Immigration and Citizenship: Staffing
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Evans, Sen Chris) -
Special Minister of State: Staffing
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Faulkner, Sen John) -
Health and Ageing: Staffing
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Finance and Deregulation: Staffing
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy: Staffing
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Minister for Human Services: Media Monitoring
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Minister for Immigrtion and Citizenship and Parliamentary Secretary: Overseas Travel
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Evans, Sen Chris) -
Minister for Foreign Affairs and Parliamentary Secretary: Overseas Travel
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Faulkner, Sen John) -
Minister for Health and Ageing and Parliamentary Secretary: Overseas Travel
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Minister for Resources and Energy and the Minister for Tourism: Overseas Travel
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Carr, Sen Kim) -
Finance and Deregulation: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Finance and Deregulation: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Immigration and Citizenship: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Evans, Sen Chris) -
Special Minister of State: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Faulkner, Sen John) -
Finance and Deregulation: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Veterans’ Affairs: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Faulkner, Sen John) -
Human Services: Program Funding
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Ludwig, Sen Joe) -
Climate Change
(Johnston, Sen David, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
(Abetz, Sen Eric, Conroy, Sen Stephen) -
Moncrieff Electorate: Funding
(Mason, Sen Brett, Wong, Sen Penny) -
Government Advertising
(Ronaldson, Sen Michael, Sherry, Sen Nick) -
Private Health Insurance
(Cormann, Sen Mathias, Ludwig, Sen Joe)
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Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy: Staffing
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Senator CORMANN (4:46 PM)
—Before question time, I was reflecting on how the views of the Minister for Health and Ageing, Nicola Roxon, had changed from before the election, when she was the opposition spokesperson on health, to now, when she is the minister. Before the election, she was opposed to and could not see any justification for a system of cost recovery for PBS listings, in fact raising the prospect of the risk that cost recovery would pose to the independence of the PBAC. Cost recovery, as I was saying before question time, has been implemented successfully in the TGA process, which has been able to maintain its independence, but of course the TGA and the PBAC have very different roles. The TGA decides whether a drug or a medical device can be marketed in Australia, whereas the PBAC advises the minister on which drugs should be approved for a public subsidy.
The Productivity Commission has made the point that cost recovery arrangements should only be introduced to improve efficiency and should not be implemented where they are inconsistent with policy objectives. Whilst cost recovery may improve efficiency, if it leads to higher drug prices and delays PBS listings it would be inconsistent with the objectives of the PBS, which are to provide timely and affordable access to pharmaceuticals.
The industry has pointed out quite vigorously a number of concerns. The first of those is that this is a global first. It is indeed unprecedented around the world that cost recovery principles, in terms of the listing process of pharmaceuticals, be implemented in this fashion. The measures do not adhere to the principles of cost recovery from the industry’s point of view, in that there is no service to the seller. Recovery is being made for a purchaser’s function and could, from the industry’s point of view, take the cost of listing to over $1 million. That presents a risk to patients across Australia in getting access to new medicines which might not be listed in Australia as a result of what the government is proposing through the National Health Amendment (Pharmaceutical and Other Benefits—Cost Recovery) Bill 2008 [No. 2]. It could well impact on small patient population groups. The real risk is that some companies may decide that it is not worth listing some drugs for those groups.
Finally, there is a real concern that this measure will deter innovation and investment in the Australian pharmaceutical industry because it is in fact a tax. It should be acknowledged as such, and there is no proper comparison to the TGA process, where payment is made for registration. The government is reintroducing this measure at a time when the industry is already dealing with a substantial four-year reform process, which was initiated in 2007. It comes at a time when the budget is already imposing a further $175 million in price cuts on the industry, and, of course, it comes at a time of a significant global economic downturn.
The minister’s views on this have changed, as I have noted. Rather than agreeing with the proposition that she put before the election that this measure would threaten the independence of the PBS, she is now actively pursuing it on behalf of the Rudd government. I do note that the Chairman of the PBAC suggested that there were no concerns about cost recovery impacting on the recommendations or independence of the PBAC.
The PBS does give Australia one of the best pharmaceutical delivery systems in the world. It gives Australians access to the best available medicines that are safe and of the highest quality. We fully support the charter of the PBS to provide timely and affordable access to subsidised medications for the Australian community. We are very concerned about the impact of the measures in this legislation. We understand that the government have given indications to the Greens that they will agree to an amendment that the Greens will move later. We will also support that amendment by the Greens to have a review of the impact of these cost recovery measures. If that amendment is passed by the Senate, as it seems that it will be, the opposition will be supporting this legislation. However, we continue to have very grave concerns about the impacts that it is likely to have into the future.