Senator JOYCE (8:24 PM) —I acknowledge Senator Murray and the dignity he gives to this chamber.

Senator Abetz —With that outburst?

Senator JOYCE —He always tries to do the right thing; you have to give it to him. He is always a fair arbiter of the way the debate is going. It is right that you should get on the record, Minister, because people are listening to the broadcast of this, whether you know of anyone who offers 45c an hour for the delivery of overtime penalty rates and allowances. I think it is fundamentally important that the Australian people understand the integrity and the philosophical conceit of the argument that is purported to come from the other side—that dinner, breakfast and lunch are put on the table by an individual contract that allows as payment for overtime penalties and allowances a paltry amount of 45c an hour. I have a business and, if I were to offer that to my employees, it would be a complete and utter insult. I would not do it. I let my employees determine their overtime penalties and allowances because I want to keep them. I ask you, Minister, so that all the people driving home from work tonight might hear of it: do you know of a business in this nation that offers 45c an hour for overtime penalties and allowances?