Senator BROWN (8:43 PM) —No, that is wrong. We need to know what the government's intentions are. You should have the regulations here tonight and we should be dealing with those. That is sensible, that is logical and that is the way it should be dealt with. To say, `We are dealing with an act. We don't have the regulations. We don't know what they are. The committee is not going to be told about that. We will develop them as we go along,' is very poor process. If there is anybody from the industry listening to this tonight, they will be tearing their hair out with frustration.

The only thing that may come of the debate tonight is that a little of that frustration in industry circles may be passed on, through me, to the government. I hope that the regulations, when they are drawn up, are drawn up with tonight's debate in mind. If the advisers to the minister would like some very helpful clues as to which people outside those who are dependent upon using fluorocarbons in refrigerants they might approach, I would be very happy to give them to the minister because that is important.

The whole point of my contribution tonight is that we should be seeking the advice of people who are using natural refrigerants. That is very important. But there is nothing in this legislation or from the advisory committees that the government has set up so far in this matter to indicate that natural refrigerants and the people who are using them and are at the cutting edge of environmental excellence in this industry in this country are being heeded.

Question negatived.