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Wednesday, 13 November 2002
Page: 6188


Senator PATTERSON (Minister for Health and Ageing) (10:59 AM) — The embryos about which we are talking, other than cloned embryos, are hybrids and chimaeras in the bill.


Senator Jacinta Collins —No.


Senator PATTERSON —I am having to do this on the run as Senator Harradine said that it has just been brought to his attention—and I think I know where Senator Harradine is coming from: if he had his druthers he most probably would not support IVF and the production of excessive embryos for IVF. I do not know and I have not heard him speak on that, but I would presume that may be the case. But we do have IVF and there are embryos that are left to, as I said last night, die—I do not really like the word `succumb'. In this case my view is that if an embryo is created illegally from cloning— and I am weighing this up for myself; other senators will have to make their own decision because this is a conscience vote—the unintended consequence of enabling a person to wear the consequences of creating a clone in order to have it implanted is greater than having them create it and letting it die. That is a decision people will have to make. On that basis I will not be supporting the amendment.