Senator SHERRY (5:31 PM) —I just want to respond to a couple of points that Senator Kemp made. I have just checked very briefly, and the excise on diesel is not a Labor tax; it was introduced, I am advised, back in the 1920s by a conservative government. It is nice to see the advisers acknowledging that. It was not a Labor tax. We have had this diesel excise—

Senator Kemp —You kept on putting it up. That is the advice I have.

Senator SHERRY —I seem to recall when you were in government you bunged it up. It has been indexed. I am informed it has been indexed and it is still being indexed under your policy despite what we are considering here. You really were stretching it a bit there, Senator Kemp, but at least you have livened the debate up a bit by your outrageously provocative statements. We are not on public broadcast but I think that the three members of the public listening to this debate in the public gallery should be well aware that what you said was not true. It was just not true. It was introduced by a conservative government. The point should be made that the diesel excise will continue to be indexed. That is correct, isn't it? It will continue to go up. So your allegation was just false.

Returning to the issue of Queensland, I think you missed the point, Minister. When you talk about rural and regional Australia, there will probably be, I suspect, some urban conurbations outside Brisbane-Gold Coast. Apparently the Gold Coast will be part of the urban conurbation. Will there be any urban conurbations outside the Brisbane-Gold Coast area in Queensland—for example, in the Townsville area or the Cairns area? Are they going to be classified as urban conurbations?