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Monday, 27 September 1999
Page: 8906


Senator Ian Campbell —Madam Deputy President, I raise a point of order. Is it or is it not unparliamentary to allege that an honourable senator has wilfully misled this place? It is an incredibly serious allegation that has been made. You suggested to Senator Forshaw that he be cautious; should you not suggest that it is unparliamentary and should be withdrawn?


Senator Forshaw —Madam Deputy President, on the point of order: I chose my words carefully. As I outlined, I stood in this place and clearly indicated to the Senate that I had not made the interjection.

Senator Ian Campbell interjecting


The DEPUTY PRESIDENT —Your point of order, Senator?


Senator Forshaw —My point of order is this: what Senator Campbell is raising is, again, not a true reflection—

Senator Ian Campbell interjecting


The DEPUTY PRESIDENT —He is speaking further to your point of order, Senator Campbell. I will make a decision after I have heard Senator Forshaw, and I hope he will be brief.


Senator Forshaw —The point I am making is that what I said in my personal explanation was what I believed. It came about as a result of the fact that I had already given to this Senate an explanation to make it clear that I had not made the interjection. A senator rose after I had given that explanation to the Senate—an explanation to make it clear that I had not made the interjection—and suggested that I had misled the Senate and that I had lied to the Senate, after I had given an explanation to the effect that I had not done that, that I was not the person who made the interjection. I questioned whether the senator who made that suggestion afterwards was misleading the Senate.

Senator Ian Campbell interjecting


The DEPUTY PRESIDENT —Order! I cautioned Senator Forshaw on the language he was using, and I would leave it at that at this stage. If, Senator Campbell, you wish him to withdraw it, you may ask for that to happen.