Senator SCHACHT (5:27 PM) —I am aware that we are debating schedule 2 of the bill, which is a significant part of the bill to further privatise Telstra. One of the fundamental issues in the community, Minister, which you may be absolutely deaf to, is that there is a substantial majority of Australians opposed to any further privatisation of Telstra because, when you use the word `privatisation', to them it means reduced services and lost jobs, particularly in regional Australia. You gave an assurance in the Senate in late May that jobs would be protected in call centres, irrespective of the privatisation process. That is why I am asking you now, when you have apparently reached a deal with Senator Colston and Senator Harradine to sell a further 16 per cent, whether your promise of 24 and 26 May still stands—that there would be no job losses in the call centres with the 16 per cent privatisation. That is what I raised in estimates. That is what I raise here. It is absolute ly part of the debate we are now having on this schedule and on other clauses of this bill.