

- Title
TAXATION LAWS AMENDMENT BILL (No. 3) 1997
INCOME TAX RATES AMENDMENT BILL (No. 1) 1997
In Committee
- Database
Senate Hansard
- Date
25-08-1997
- Source
Senate
- Parl No.
38
- Electorate
WA
- Interjector
TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN
- Page
5587
- Party
ALP
- Presenter
- Status
Final
- Question No.
- Questioner
- Responder
- Speaker
Senator COOK
- Stage
- Type
- Context
Bill
- System Id
chamber/hansards/1997-08-25/0176
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Hansard
- Start of Business
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TAXATION LAWS AMENDMENT BILL (No. 3) 1997
INCOME TAX RATES AMENDMENT BILL (No. 1) 1997 - MINISTERIAL ARRANGEMENTS
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QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
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Vocational Education and Training
(Senator CARR, Senator VANSTONE) -
Economy
(Senator BOSWELL, Senator HILL) -
Apprenticeships
(Senator CROWLEY, Senator VANSTONE, The PRESIDENT) -
Telstra Share Offer
(Senator ABETZ, Senator ALSTON) -
Education and Employment
(Senator CHRIS EVANS, Senator VANSTONE) -
Fitzroy River: Proposed Dam
(Senator MURRAY, Senator HILL) -
Jabiluka Uranium Mine
(Senator REYNOLDS, Senator HERRON) -
X-rated Videos
(Senator HARRADINE, Senator HILL) -
Ministerial Code of Conduct
(Senator FAULKNER, Senator HILL) -
Government Debt
(Senator PAYNE, Senator VANSTONE) -
Forum Economic Ministers Meeting: Document
(Senator COOK, Senator HILL) -
ACT Heroin Trial
(Senator LEES, Senator HERRON) -
ACT Heroin Trial
(Senator FORSHAW, Senator HERRON) -
Interest Rates
(Senator GIBSON, Senator KEMP)
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Vocational Education and Training
- ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
- COMMITTEES
- THREDBO LANDSLIDE
- CONDOLENCES
- CONDOLENCES
- PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS
- PETITIONS
- ADDITIONAL PETITIONS
- NOTICES OF MOTION
- ORDER OF BUSINESS
- COMMITTEES
- ORDER OF BUSINESS
- COMMITTEES
- DOCUMENTS
- COMMITTEES
- DOCUMENTS
- BUDGET 1997-98
- ASSENT TO LAWS
- VETERANS' AFFAIRS LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (1996-97 BUDGET AND OTHER MEASURES) BILL 1997
- BILLS RETURNED FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
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PUBLIC SERVICE BILL 1997
PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT (CONSEQUENTIAL AND TRANSITIONAL) AMENDMENT BILL 1997 -
TAXATION LAWS AMENDMENT BILL (No. 3) 1997
INCOME TAX RATES AMENDMENT BILL (No. 1) 1997-
In Committee
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator CAMPBELL
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator CAMPBELL
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator CAMPBELL
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator CAMPBELL
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator CAMPBELL
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator HARRADINE
- Senator KEMP
- Senator HARRADINE
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator COOK
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator COOK
- Senator KEMP
- Senator COOK
- Senator KEMP
- Senator COOK
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator HARRADINE
- Senator COOK
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator COOK
- Senator KEMP
- Senator COOK
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator COOK
- Senator KEMP
- Senator COOK
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MURRAY
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator HARRADINE
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KERNOT
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator HARRADINE
- The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Senator McKiernan), Senator HARRADINE
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator KERNOT
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator KEMP
- Senator CALVERT
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator CALVERT
- Senator CHRIS EVANS
- Senator CALVERT
- Senator HEFFERNAN
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KERNOT
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KERNOT
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator MARGETTS
- Senator KEMP
- Senator SHERRY
- Senator KEMP
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In Committee
- ADJOURNMENT
- Adjournment
- DOCUMENTS
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QUESTIONS ON NOTICE
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Commonwealth Employment Service
(Senator Bolkus, Senator Vanstone) -
Brisbane Rescue Coordination Centre: Closure
(Senator Bob Collins, Senator Alston) -
Education Funding
(Senator Margetts, Senator Vanstone) -
Foreign Affairs and Trade: Programs and Grants
(Senator Bob Collins, Senator Hill) -
Department of Transport and Regional Development: Grants and Programs
(Senator Bob Collins, Senator Alston) -
Airservices Australia
(Senator MacGibbon, Senator Alston) -
Child Support Agency
(Senator Reynolds, Senator Kemp) -
Bullbars
(Senator Woodley, Senator Alston) -
Electromagnetic Radiation
(Senator Allison, Senator Alston) -
Literacy
(Senator Allison, Senator Vanstone) -
National Museum of Australia
(Senator Allison, Senator Alston) -
Special Education
(Senator Allison, Senator Vanstone) -
Public Housing
(Senator Allison, Senator Newman) -
Austel Staff in South Australia
(Senator Allison, Senator Alston) -
Fivebough Swamp
(Senator Lees, Senator Hill) -
Child Disability Allowance
(Senator Allison, Senator Newman) -
Royal Adelaide Hospital: Telstra Research Study
(Senator Allison, Senator Alston) -
Child Support Agency
(Senator Woodley, Senator Kemp) -
Aborigines: Stolen Children
(Senator Murray, Senator Hill) -
Brook Island Trial
(Senator Woodley, Senator Newman) -
Logging and Woodchipping
(Senator Allison, Senator Hill) -
Native Vegetation Clearance
(Senator Lees, Senator Hill) -
West 2000
(Senator Lees, Senator Parer) -
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
(Senator Bourne, Senator Hill) -
Immigration: India
(Senator Stott Despoja, Senator Vanstone) -
Memorandum of Understanding: Fire Fighting Facilities
(Senator Bob Collins, Senator Newman) -
Australian Sports Commission: Aerobica Event
(Senator Chris Evans, Senator Hill) -
Long Term Temporary Residents Visas
(Senator Brown, Senator Vanstone) -
Nuclear Waste: National Repository
(Senator Bob Collins, Senator Parer) -
Sinking of HMAS
(Senator Margetts, Senator Hill) -
Senators' Travelling Allowances
(Senator Colston, Senator Kemp) -
Milk Fed Veal: Code of Practice
(Senator Allison, Senator Parer) -
Minister for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs
(Senator Faulkner, Senator Herron) -
: Report
(Senator Stott Despoja, Senator Ellison) -
Cooperative Research Centres: Funding Cuts
(Senator Stott Despoja, Senator Ellison)
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Commonwealth Employment Service
Page: 5587
Senator COOK(5.43 p.m.)
—The minister has not actually answered my question—he has given me some assumptions upon which the calculation was made.
But the figure which was provided to us was $63 million. We are now told extemporaneously—as far as I am concerned, anyway—at the end of the second reading speech that it is $100 million. You have announced some nebulous reasons, some nebulous assumptions, about this. You are quoting from a document. It would help this debate if the calculations that you have made could be tabled and subject to some scrutiny.
This is quite a dramatic change. You have not said where you got it wrong to begin with; why you now believe you are right; and why, if you conduct further scrutiny, you will not correct yourself again. I might say in passing, with some degree of bitter cynicism, I have never yet encountered a situation in which, when the government is under pressure and produces a new figure for what the lost revenue will be, the lost revenue is less. That has never happened. The lost revenue is always more. It is always dramatically more, as if the lost revenue can be waved around as an asserted figure and as the clincher to all argument.
The government has to do better than this. If it is trying to threaten people by saying, `You are damaging revenue to this amount,' well, prove it. I am asking you, Minister, to therefore table the document from which you have been quoting so that we can have a look and satisfy ourselves that what you are saying is right.
There is a need for the government to correct its reputation here. We have just had the honest and forthright report to this chamber from Senator Murray about what happened last time. Now, I was an actor in what happened last time and I have a very clear recollection of what happened last time. Senator Murray had an amendment circulated in the chamber which we thought was the amendment he would move but, at the very last minute, he moved a slightly different amendment. It has always confused me as to why that was the case.
We have now been told the reason was that he has had discussions with the Treasurer and he and the government agreed. The amendment that Senator Murray moved then was carried and is now the law, but that is now what the government is wanting to change. This is not a very good track record for the government: it sorted out the amendment that is now the law and that it now wants to change. Why could the government not draft its own amendment at the time accurately? The law as it now stands, the amendment that it proposed to Senator Murray, is unworkable.
So not only can you get your arithmetic wrong as to the damage that there might be to revenue—this is the amount of money the government is seeking to unfairly retrospectively recover—but you cannot even draft your own legislation when you broker a deal to get a majority of votes in this chamber. So you do not have a great basis of credibility, with the greatest of respect to you, Minister—because I am not sure if you were the minister at the table at the time—in coming into this chamber and making assertions unsupported by any other detail. In fact, on the record, you are not to be trusted at all by any assertions that you make because, first, you cannot calculate the figure and, second, you cannot draft a change to the legislation. I ask you, Minister: will you now make all your calculations available to the chamber?