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Wednesday, 22 August 2012
Page: 6042


Senator LUDLAM (Western Australia) (11:14): Minister, in order to be completely clear about the operation of the bill, let us say that we are talking about someone who is a target of a particular investigation who meets the thresholds for a stored communications warrant or an interception warrant. I make a phone call. In addition to the fact that there is a phone call which involves an exchange between me and somebody else, there is also then a cloud of metadata or traffic data that is created at the same time. This includes simple things like the billing information, the IP address if it was a VoIP call, latitude and longitude location data and various other forms of data, including basic things like the date and time that the call was made and who it was to. Is the minister seriously saying that all that the agencies would be interested in is the voice call itself and that the telcos will still be free to discard the rest of that metadata or traffic data according to current practice? Surely, the intelligence agencies or the police would be hoping that all of that metadata would be retained, because that is very important, I would have thought.