Ms VAMVAKINOU (2:49 PM) —My question is to the Minister for Vocational and Technical Education. I again refer to the $400,000 of new apprenticeship research the Howard government was finally forced into releasing last week. Minister, doesn’t the research show that nearly 20 per cent of people who do not complete their new apprenticeships say it is because they are not happy with their training? Doesn’t this show that the New Apprenticeship scheme is a sham and that many participants pull out because they do not get proper training?

Mr HARDGRAVE (Minister for Vocational and Technical Education and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister) —The member for Calwell has been set up by her current deputy leader as well. The Skills at work report, which is what she is asking about, has shown that there have been a record number of people undertaking new apprenticeships. There have been a record number of people completing new apprenticeships, a record number of businesses who are availing themselves—

Ms Macklin —Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order in relation to relevance. Twenty per cent say they do not complete because they are not happy with their training. What about an answer to that?

The SPEAKER —The Deputy Leader of the Opposition does not have a point of order.

Mr HARDGRAVE —Those opposite have gone back to the old tactic of using points of order to ask questions over and over again. The point is that today we have enormous success in the area of apprenticeships in the trades, and enormous success in apprenticeships and traineeships in the non-traditional trades, and the Labor Party simply do not like it.