Mr HAWKER (3:42 PM) —In joining in this debate, I would certainly like to endorse the first two parts of the motion by the member for Fremantle. Wherever possible, I think the government should certainly retain public ownership of sites of significance to our military heritage and history. The only point that makes me a little curious about this motion is that it is my understanding that the original decision to sell the Fremantle Artillery Barracks was in fact taken by the previous government. I suppose that has been overlooked now.

In talking to the motion, I would like to talk about a couple of very exciting projects that have been developed in my electorate of Wannon and that do in fact go towards recognising the importance of preserving our military history and heritage for future generations and that certainly applaud the work of volunteers and returned servicemen and service women. These two projects have both been developed with Their Service Our Heritage funding—something that this government is rightly very proud of and that all Australians and all members of both sides are very keen to support. What is quite special about these projects is that they have both been developed on the Internet.

The first one I would like quickly to talk about is called Faces of War. This was developed by the Ararat Secondary College, through some very good work initially by a teacher called Joanne Tate. The site, developed with the secondary college students, hosts artwork from veterans, Holocaust survivors and refugees; commentaries by the students on aspects of conflict; literature reviews and poetry; and details of projects being undertaken around the world. This is one very significant point. It has grown very rapidly and has well over 5,000 pages on the site, and it has won a number of international awards. It has certainly led to contact with school from all around the world, including from Russia, Poland, the United States, Romania and Slovenia. The students are exchanging information and are certainly being encouraged to interview their parents and grandparents to add to the sum of knowledge about the war experience.

The second one I briefly would like to talk about is the one that has been developed by the work of Deakin University, through their Centre for Regional Development at the Warrnambool Campus, very ably led by Dr Gordon Forth. Dr Forth, through a $25,000 grant received in September 1998, set about developing this war heritage web site. It is, I think, an extremely successful way of bringing together so much of the history of south-west Victoria. It also recognises, as the motion says, the importance of preserving our military history. As honourable members would know, there are many small centres these days where the local hall is falling in disrepair. But, more importantly, as on this occasion, the honour boards that are in those halls are not being preserved as well as they might. Through this project, those honour boards, firstly, are being collected so they are preserved and, secondly, are being added to this web site.

It is not only about bringing this information together; the site was developed as a national model for other regions. So, again, this is an example of south-west Victoria leading the way in providing a very practical and sensible way of ensuring that so much of this important local history is preserved for future generations. This is all about honouring the men and women from south-west Victoria and the contribution they made to the conflicts of the 20th century, most notably World War I and World War II, but not forgetting the others, including the Boer War, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. I would like to pay special tribute to the work of the members of the Hamilton History Group and Deakin University in relation to this. I also seek leave to incorporate the web sites of these two projects in Hansard. They are both rather long, so I seek leave to incorporate them rather than read them into Hansard.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER (Mr Nehl)—Unfortunately the guidelines provide that if they are capable of being read they cannot be included in Hansard.

Mr HAWKER —Mr Deputy Speaker, they are very long. I think it would be very difficult.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER —The guidelines do not cover it. Have you taken the opportunity of showing it to Hansard in advance or to me?

Mr HAWKER —I have shown it to the—

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER —It is irrelevant whether the member for Dickson is happy. The guidelines are that matter that is capable of being read cannot be incorporated in Hansard.

Mr HAWKER —Mr Deputy Speaker, I put it to you that it would be very difficult to read these. They are very long web site addresses. I really think it would save us a lot of time if these were incorporated.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER —I would like to accommodate the member for Wannon—whose time has expired, by the way—but the guidelines are quite clear. They are straightforward. They apply to every member in this place and the other place. There have been many occasions when people on both sides have been knocked back because they do not meet the guidelines. I am sorry, but I cannot—

Mr HAWKER —Mr Deputy Speaker, I put it to you that you consider this because when you read them I think you will see that these are very lengthy. It would be far easier for the proceedings to have them incorporated. (Time expired)

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER —I thank the honourable member, but I am afraid I can do nothing at the present time.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER —I am sorry, but it is not open for debate. Do you have a point of order?

Mr Hockey —I seek your indulgence.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER —On very limited indulgence.