Mr LEE(9.13 p.m.) —The Government Whip interjects. This is an important point. He is always saying across the chamber that we are wasting time and he thinks we have got understandings. We have had a pretty constructive conversation here tonight, and we are at the last point, which is about war widows. You come in in your usual manner and try to disturb the flow of the discussion, which results in us wasting more time. I do not think it is a waste of time to actually talk about the rights and entitlements of war widows.    I acknowledge the fact that the minister has provided a response to the point I made. Perhaps it is because of the hour, but I am a bit thick at this time of night and I was a bit confused by the minister's answer when she said that there would be no change in the circumstances of war widows—I thought she used words to that effect. My understanding is that at the moment a war widow does not have a means test applied to that war widows pension.

If there is no change in the war widows pension, can the minister assure me that there will be no reduction in the government's subsidy to the nursing home proprietor which, in effect, reduces the war widows pension because they are receiving that income from the Department of Veterans' Affairs? There is no point in saying, `You still get your money from the Department of Veterans' Affairs' if the government takes away 25c in the dollar of that money—or more—and recovers your war widows pension through an increase in the nursing home fee which is payable. I hope the minister gets the point I am trying to make there.