Mrs MOYLAN (Minister for Family Services)(9.12 p.m.) —The provision in clause 8 is designed to make sure that, for residential aged care income testing, this special group of people are treated exactly the same as somebody who has an equivalent amount of money available to them each week. This is needed because where war widows or war widowers also receive a part age pension, various rules do apply which limit the amount of each type of pension and count income in special ways. The fact is that they will be tested in the same way that they are tested now. Without this provision, some people, though, could have their income assessed at a figure that is the same as someone who is not a war widow but, in fact, they could really have less money each week in their pocket.

Mr Cadman —Oh, come on, Michael.